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  1. Jussaguy

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    Well hello UAV flying enthusiast. Thanks for reading this far.

    I was at FRY's which is a FANTASTIC electronics store here in Burbank yesterday, or the day before with my little daughter.

    I was there because I accidentally broke my 16 or 32gb Lexar 633 that they sent with it. First off, I didn't know **** about microusb card but THEY (DJI) have gone through lots of changes and we have the best of the best. The Lexar 633 reads and writes at very fast speeds. I couldn't even get an exact 633 match at Fry's and they are HUGE, especially in the component department.

    Here is what I did. I have a car stereo that has a very expensive after market double din dash stereo from when I was a younger guy. When I changed out the car battery, the NAV/Dash asked me for a password that I didn't know, I've never had or ever set and when I called Pioneer to find out what to do of course it was to send it in to them and pay $80 minimum (depending). He actually told me "depending" like he could find a more difficult way of resetting my password. So we are done with Pioneer.

    So I decided to try and take care of it myself. I went online and sure enough there is a way to hack it so you can add new maps, add new voices, pictures of your kid at the intro, etc. All I wanted was my PW. I don't condone stealing. If you stole my stereo and were doing this than EFF YOU, but I payed plenty for it. So I was using my Lexar 16 or 32 that they sent me because I needed to use that Pioneer firmware and I'm not exactly swimming in microUSBs so I used the one from my Phantom. I have to use a Leatherman set of pliers to get the card in and out of my dash because of how its sitting and one time I just snapped it in half like it was a piece of paper.

    So that is the very long winded version of what I did with my brand new Phantom's brand new microUSB card. Also, just for the record, I had up until this point been using the cheap orange card reader (if you used Syma products before you know what I'm talking about) to use my microUSB stuff from both Syma and DJI and would insert it through my keyboard.

    So I went to Fry's and I saw this but when I went to Amazon I could not believe how cheap, in particular the 32gb version is, especially at the speeds it reads at. EDIT: Don't get the 64gb version of this one because it is UHS-1, not UHS-3 which is much faster. Also, it's not as good a deal. I still don't know what the difference is exactly between the 1 and the 3 but the 3 is definitely rated higher and faster but for some ODD reason, is usually cheaper. Difference between Speed Class, UHS Speed Class, and Speed Ratings (performance) for SD/SDHC/SDXC cards (This one I am offering up actually says 'good for drones' on its little list of things its good for including 'action cameras' so I would think definitely UHS-3. I believe it has to do with how things move within the essentially little SSD drives. There is three speeds variances happening while we record and then view. Read/Write and then whatever movement happens within a card. The reason there is a such a large space of can't use space in a microusb in a camera or a drone is because SSD drives write over space by first removing the space in front of it so writing over things is not even a possibility while using your Phantom and why formatting is so important.

    The 32gb was $10.99 at Amazon: Amazon.com: PNY U3 High Performance 32GB High Speed MicroSDHC Class 10 UHS-I, up to 60MB/sec Flash Memory Card (P-SDU32GU360G-GE): Computers & Accessories

    It has a solid 4 stars but not the 4.5 or 5 that you so wish to see when buying something new from Amazon. I usually go straight to the 1 star reviews either way. If there are a lot of them (and they made up 14% of the 1* population so they were out there, there is usually a reason). It would appear there was a bad slew of 64 and 128gig cards that went bad usually within the first couple weeks or later but as a disk that personally, I usually dump straight away and never carry too long, so that didn't concern me, plus it was the 32 version, plus for $11 who cares as the most I stand to lose is a days work. I AM VERY VERY picky about the storage devices I use and redundancy vs. performance issues and usually just spend the money to have both redundancy and performance but unless you're uploading the images just minutes after you record them, the best redundancy you'll get is to dump the cards at the end of a shooting day, or on location and then offsite them to DropBox or iCloud or whatever you use as a repository, if anything. In my mind, that type of problem was welcomed as opposed to a lot of of "usually never actually reached 20x in speed". Quite the opposite, all the speed results were raging. I love speed. I am a bit of a benchmarker and will go for speed just for sport. This very computer according to a certain bench mark tool was (by its users anyways) the fastest iteration of any iMac in the entire world! HA. :) I say that jokingly and know it's really BS and luck but it's the truth and out of millions (that weren't Hackintoshes). I digress,

    I Couldn't believe it. So I had Fry's match the price, got it and figured I'd just order the 64 as a Lexar 633 off of Amazon. Still havent searched but they didn't have Lexar at all at Fry's or any other x633 unit. (WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BECAUSE there is x533 and I would have to imagine that's not as fast. How many ways is there to measure the speed of something so small. I call it the anti-John-Homes problem.

    So this one claims up to 90x on both read and write and I didn't believe it. Oh by the way, in order to take care of the car issue, I spent $3.99 on an 8 gig stick with a card reader which makes it a size that will fit in my SDXC or whatever is on the back of my iMac (sent right to the USB 3 bus and I'm blazing and now only bottlenecked by the speed of the card for reading to computer) and now I am FLYING when it comes to getting the vids and images off the card and I would assume I am recording as well. I will do some side by side comparisons later to see if it's recording as well.

    Let's face it. The microUSB card in our Phantoms is our film. It's our tape. It's our device for capturing our creative work and if the utmost care isn't taken in getting the right one that there is no use in lighting, practicing, blocking or any of the other million things we do to get the shot right. So here is hoping that this cheap $10.99 32gig slot can get me take and take and take of awesome footage because according to the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test, IT'S FLYING.

    Why am I making such a long thread about a microUSB slot and cartridge because while it might seem like second nature to YOU or even YOU, it doesn't to YOU and YOU should realize as I didn't that there are measuring forks that we videographers (man I hate that word) must never forget and one is that our medium for recording is as important as anything we do to our Phantom's to make them shoot good. Lens, practice dramatic moves, etc. I mean I never really thought about it's importance until I was buying it. I didn't read up about the LEXAR 633x 32 or whatever, yet I knew who to change out the gimbal should I need to.

    WE MUST HAVE GOOD USB RECORDING and it must be a LEVEL 10, USB-3 (I believe this is true and when I say must I actually mean I am pretty sure it's the best and MAYBE the highest level and therefore use it. It's certainly possibly you could use Level 3 and UHS-1 but don't shoot for me please).

    So far, testing and digging and will show results.

    Please anyone that has a better option for disks, speak up.

    Also batteries. I'm in the market for a triple battery purchase and charger (can somebody offer a good buy) and I'm also in the market for a backpack style case. I am thinking of the DJI hardcase unless someone has a better offer.

    Thanks guys! Also, what is your favorite lens???

    KEEP FLYING. KEEP FLYING SAFE. ENJOY LIFE.

    ~A
     
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  2. msinger

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    One of the best memory cards is the SanDisk Extreme Pro. I like it since it has both a very fast read and write speed. That's helpful when transferring files to/from the memory card. There are technically many memory cards that'll work though. You can find a commonly used list here.

    You can save a few bucks on batteries on eBay right now. Some Best Buy stores are apparently still selling them for $129 too.

    I'm assuming you mean the lens filter -- since the actual lens cannot be changed. I like the DJI lens filters and the Polar Pro 6-pack if you need polarizer filters.
     
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    Thanks for this list!!! Yeah, I'm talking about actually digging in and making a side by side comparison of visuals. At the end of the day its a creative medium and we need to look at it off the black and white of a piece of paper.

    Thanks for the tip!!!!!!

    Yes, I'm sorry. I was actually just gonna post a little link because I saw such a good deal on a card that seems to be shooting great so thought I'd start being active.

    BOO
     
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    Well there's five minutes of my life that I'm not getting back! :cool:
     
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    Thats got to be the longest post about an SD card in history, i think the bible isnt as long as that!!!
     
  6. Jussaguy

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    There are 783,137 words in the bible. That's just crazy. ;)

    There really are.

    Seriously, again was just going to make a little post but I thought about It and I know more than the average bear and I never really thought of microSD from a performance frame ever so I thought I'd share.

    As for the person that wants their 5 minutes back. They are gone my friend, go call someone you love but I warned early it was long about not much.
     
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    Ha Ha fair enough i just hope your not that sad to of counted all the words in the bible last night!! that is after your seminar on microSD cards of course!!!:D
     
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    FYI micro USB is the connector on your cable.
    Next time you're shopping for a small memory card, ask for a Micro SD card or you'll just get blank looks.
     
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    I only lost about five secs :p
     
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    I think the moderators are going to need to reboot the server in order to purge after that lengthy post.
     
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    Speed reader!
     
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    Just sad enough to "Google" it, which is admirably a little sad. Just a little. ;)
     
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    I wish there was somewhere I could go where they could actually help me. I do appreciate the heads up, and it's obviously correct but I think with how many times I think with the context of everything else that it was just a LN obvious typo but then again maybe I never did. Either way, I just use the word microusb more in my life. Total accident.

    Again, I've known more about electronics than the people working there since I was 8 so I don't ask for help. Besides, have you ever asked for help? The answers are sometimes comical.
     
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    I guess this is not the place for me.

    I though it was for the open and desired discussion about things actually important to Phantom pilots. I have a fantastic group in RC Groups for my Inspire on it.

    Let's understand something. I would consider myself an asset to this community here. I own a business that works as a vendor for all the major TV distribution lines including cable and network TV. We do major film work on the biggest films all over the world.

    I am a VFX artist/Supervisor and cinematographer and I all of a sudden I realized that with this camera (vs my other SSD cams) I never really thought of the medium as much as I did this one because this time of cam leaves you to decide and it also made me think so I thought I would share it with an interested group that would have thought similarly. "Oh yeah, my recording medium is important because my art is important to me and it's not just about getting the $10 Samsung EVO at Radio Shack".

    Was wrong.

    Noted.

    I guess I won't post my images with the difference of images on various speeds of cards. Lol. Seriously, was going to do that.
     
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    Keep it short and to the point, long reads such as your first post will likely be skipped over as not many of us have that many hours to spare read just one thread. I believe you could've covered it all with one simple paragraph.
     
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    I understand the desire for direct, simple language. I do believe that I could have shortened it but my desire was for the people that would actually want to read it and that found themselves in the same position I did.

    If someone doesn't "have the time" to read it, then they won't and it won't effect my life in one way or the other. I try and help other people out that want it, not ones that don't. I'll make a 20 minute youtube video on how to solder a motor back on to your unit for the first time but I could probably show it in 5 but the person that is really having trouble (like myself when I actually did make that video) learns with you through the process. So what was so long winded about that story was the situation that I replicated so that people that Google "best card for my Phantom 3" and run across my little dissertation will be able to find the most they can out of what little I know (which with that little have surpassed most) and when you are thirsty for knowledge about something, that is not a long read.

    I can appreciate that a majority think it is. Personally I don't think it is on any level but that's me but either way, I understand it, and more often than not, I choose to keep it as short as possible and I certainly have penchant for being long winded, but myself having not a lot of time either, I usually won't go back and rewrite it like I would a document I'm turning in to a line producer that I am asking money from.

    My point is, people will learn my style and read on, or won't or if I'm not wanted around here, that's cool too. No hard feelings, really.

    When I find it appropriate, I will shrink down what I say, in this case, I just did a quick scan of the OP and it's not long at all IMHO. Certainly not a 5 minute read.


    EDIT: I just re-read it and used my phone to time how long it took and it was 2:18 seconds to read. If that is too much time for a person to read about the medium in which they use to record their art on, than they should't read it

    I hope I am not being condescending when I can tell you with surety that this conversation would not go down like this in the RC Groups Inspire forum. People would want to see the difference between what the media looks like on different mediums and I tease that I recorded them for this thread but nobody cares about it at all. It's bizarre.

    IN MY WORLD, the picture is all that matters. Don't get me wrong, I VERY VERY much enjoy the hobby, but there are apparently more hobbyists here. (I don't me that condescendingly again although it will definitely be taken that way) and I maybe I'm wrong. Maybe professionals don't want to hear me ramble anyway. I warned in the second sentence that it will be long winded with "since you got this far".

    I can't change myself but I can tell you a couple things. I promise I am coming from a working class world with real world industry knowledge, and I want to learn from all of you people as well but if it means i should just shut up and lurk, I will but if you guys don't want to read my posts, pass over them, or I can just read.

    Either is fine. That particular thread was supposed to be helpful to others, and I was to gain nothing out of it other than maybe a discussion. I had just gone to Fry's and in the 45 mins I was there and I had to give myself a little lesson on MicroSDHC cards and thought I would share my knowledge (and link to a AWESOME deal on a 32) for $10.99.

    You're welcome ;)

    FTR, to the people with not enough time. I am working on 2 films, I make a weekly VFX segment on a major network produced by a major label. I have multiple hobbies. I teach classes occasionally. Have a daughter. I have a wife. I have passes to DisneyLand and sometimes I enjoy just doing nothing as well so I don't exactly have time coming out of my ears. It is TOTALLY okay that you wouldn't want to read my posts but "I don't have the time" is not the reason. The reason is "I don't care".
     
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    I get 783,141. Which ones did you miss?
     
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    You seem like a very interesting person who is hugely passionate about this media don't be put off by some people on here having a joke me included)I'm looking at getting a new 32gb card is there one you would recommend I would look in your previous posts for a possible answer but I haven't got a spare hour 2 read them...only joking sorry should stop now,but seriously your expertise in this field would be appreciated.
     
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    After attempting to store this epic thread on an SD card, I received a message that 128gb was far short and to consider a 2TB storage device. All kidding aside, I celebrated two birthdays just reading through this!!!
     
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