Clipper707 said:That video was 4 sentences worth of information crammed into 18 minutes.
And failures like this.
Words not to use.
You guys.
Uh.
Umm.
Wayne
Clipper707 said:That video was 4 sentences worth of information crammed into 18 minutes.
Well... hard to prove, but I believe the number caused by pilot error is much, much higher. Pilot error meaning either not maintaining their drone (clean those battery contacts!), not doing a proper pre-flight check, not waiting for a solid GPS lock, and/or accidentally switching to a flight mode they had not intended and weren't ready for (Manual, and, to a lesser extent, ATTI). In fact, I would put the number very close to 100%.Paul K said:I don't know if you guys agree with me but I think 80 % of fly aways is cost by fly controller,GPS/compass , radio frequency failure
or combination of this electronics ; another 18% is pilot error and last 2% would be mechanical issue. Mechanical problem like motor failure or prop problem ,specially with quadcopter would cost immediate crash and if for example a ESC would supply motor with insufficient power ,you still can have some control of the craft. I am curious to hear your opinion/study.
ProfessorStein said:Well... hard to prove, but I believe the number caused by pilot error is much, much higher. Pilot error meaning either not maintaining their drone (clean those battery contacts!), not doing a proper pre-flight check, not waiting for a solid GPS lock, and/or accidentally switching to a flight mode they had not intended and weren't ready for (Manual, and, to a lesser extent, ATTI). In fact, I would put the number very close to 100%.Paul K said:I don't know if you guys agree with me but I think 80 % of fly aways is cost by fly controller,GPS/compass , radio frequency failure
or combination of this electronics ; another 18% is pilot error and last 2% would be mechanical issue. Mechanical problem like motor failure or prop problem ,specially with quadcopter would cost immediate crash and if for example a ESC would supply motor with insufficient power ,you still can have some control of the craft. I am curious to hear your opinion/study.
Your percentage error distribution would be more acceptable for me ,for one sample reason, it is in your ability to prevent fly away case, by doing your homework before flight. My biggest nightmare is to get into a situation when the craft pics-up another signal ,starts to fly certain direction and you can't do anything to bring it back.Wedeliver said:ProfessorStein said:Well... hard to prove, but I believe the number caused by pilot error is much, much higher. Pilot error meaning either not maintaining their drone (clean those battery contacts!), not doing a proper pre-flight check, not waiting for a solid GPS lock, and/or accidentally switching to a flight mode they had not intended and weren't ready for (Manual, and, to a lesser extent, ATTI). In fact, I would put the number very close to 100%.Paul K said:I don't know if you guys agree with me but I think 80 % of fly aways is cost by fly controller,GPS/compass , radio frequency failure
or combination of this electronics ; another 18% is pilot error and last 2% would be mechanical issue. Mechanical problem like motor failure or prop problem ,specially with quadcopter would cost immediate crash and if for example a ESC would supply motor with insufficient power ,you still can have some control of the craft. I am curious to hear your opinion/study.
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I am planing to use FR SKY Taranis with my P2/GoPro; hope this will minimize the FAP :lol: (fly away phobia)N017RW said:I can't speak to 5.8 GHz systems but I have flown 2.4 GHz Spektrum DSM, DSM2, and DSMX; DJI DESST; and Futaba T-FHSS systems with never any problems with the control system 'picking up' another signal.
ianwood said:I see a couple categories for fly aways:
Platform induced flyaways
1. Mechanical: one corner is unable to produce adequate lift due to prop damage, motor friction, ESC issue, etc.
2. Sensors: the IMU and/or compass produce erroneous data due to internal defect.
dronecamps said:We take an in depth look at the so called Flyaway Phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4PCTm ... e=youtu.be
cruz_ctrl said:dronecamps said:We take an in depth look at the so called Flyaway Phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4PCTm ... e=youtu.be
Do not waste twenty minutes of your life watching this.
Note: at 3:18 says "we need to stop saying 'flyaway'"
then goes on to use the term 'flyaway' and at 12:33 there's a title screen, "Flyaways With Phantoms"
Also, i take issue with the advice at 10:10 : "don't fly Phantom batteries past 30%". this is nonsense.
even the manufacturers suggest completing draining the batteries at regular intervals.
Recites a litany of things that can go wrong to think about each time before you fly
then ends with a "have fun!"
Two thumbs down
dronecamps said:We take an in depth look at the so called Flyaway Phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4PCTm ... e=youtu.be
thongbong said:dronecamps said:We take an in depth look at the so called Flyaway Phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4PCTm ... e=youtu.be
Naza flyaways happened alot with the orignal Phantom v1. not 1.1.1 not, 2 but the original Phantom 1. The flyaways never really involved a crash until the batteries ran out or the Phantom hit something in its horizontal path. The symptom is pilot loses complete control of the craft no matter where they are, open field, over water, in the city, in the country, and the craft flies horizontal with the ground, until it either runs out of batteries or it hits something---now this is a fact. Do some research of old forums from 2 years ago before you open up a camp to teach drones to newbs. just a thought.
Wedeliver said:thongbong said:dronecamps said:We take an in depth look at the so called Flyaway Phenomenon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4PCTm ... e=youtu.be
Naza flyaways happened alot with the orignal Phantom v1. not 1.1.1 not, 2 but the original Phantom 1. The flyaways never really involved a crash until the batteries ran out or the Phantom hit something in its horizontal path. The symptom is pilot loses complete control of the craft no matter where they are, open field, over water, in the city, in the country, and the craft flies horizontal with the ground, until it either runs out of batteries or it hits something---now this is a fact. Do some research of old forums from 2 years ago before you open up a camp to teach drones to newbs. just a thought.
If this be true Dji has libility i think to correct the issue or? maybe buy up all the old units. i really don't know what i am talking about, but ät least here in the US used items still matter and car companies are required to fix recalls on vehicles that have been resold. it seems that dji is claiming no warranties exist except to the original buyer and that buyer had to buy it through a particular channel to receive coverage. i own a small retail store and i want to resell dji products witha manufactures warranty. i also own a phantom v1.1 and a v1.2 and 3 v1.1.1. I need to find an attorney that knows the law about this stuff. sorry to go off subject but perhaps it isright on subject.. flyaways.. would this mean that there are naza issues with the "M" used in the earlier models.
Wedeliver said:If this be true Dji has libility i think to correct the issue or? maybe buy up all the old units. i really don't know what i am talking about, but ät least here in the US used items still matter and car companies are required to fix recalls on vehicles that have been resold.
ianwood said:Wedeliver said:If this be true Dji has libility i think to correct the issue or? maybe buy up all the old units. i really don't know what i am talking about, but ät least here in the US used items still matter and car companies are required to fix recalls on vehicles that have been resold.
Cars are a regulated industry with minimum safety and emissions standards which the bulk of recalls fall under. There is no drone equivalent. That even the warranty period is unclear with DJI should tell you just how much they give a ****.
thongbong said:Wedeliver said:thongbong said:Naza flyaways happened alot with the orignal Phantom v1. not 1.1.1 not, 2 but the original Phantom 1. The flyaways never really involved a crash until the batteries ran out or the Phantom hit something in its horizontal path. The symptom is pilot loses complete control of the craft no matter where they are, open field, over water, in the city, in the country, and the craft flies horizontal with the ground, until it either runs out of batteries or it hits something---now this is a fact. Do some research of old forums from 2 years ago before you open up a camp to teach drones to newbs. just a thought.
If this be true Dji has libility i think to correct the issue or? maybe buy up all the old units. i really don't know what i am talking about, but ät least here in the US used items still matter and car companies are required to fix recalls on vehicles that have been resold. it seems that dji is claiming no warranties exist except to the original buyer and that buyer had to buy it through a particular channel to receive coverage. i own a small retail store and i want to resell dji products witha manufactures warranty. i also own a phantom v1.1 and a v1.2 and 3 v1.1.1. I need to find an attorney that knows the law about this stuff. sorry to go off subject but perhaps it isright on subject.. flyaways.. would this mean that there are naza issues with the "M" used in the earlier models.
Unfortunately DJI has never owned up to the issue. There have been too many flyaways to account for on the original P1. For the pilots who were able to retrieve their videos, the same symptoms show up time after time, and the account is the same. If you do some googling, you'll find a few thousand experienced pilots who had a flyaway on the original P1, me included. The Phantom simply kept on flying until it was out of site. It never crashed, meaning it kept its longitudinal bearing until it ran out of batteries or hit something in its way.
A false flyaway happens when the Phantom crashes to the ground with a full battery, so remember a true flyaway keeps the longitudinal bearing until it runs out of juice or hits something.
I've had 4 Phantoms also, the original P1 (the very 1st model) is what you need to be concerned about. On P2 non vision the flyaways are nearly non existent, those that do report it usually have a video showing a quick drop in pitch and it hitting the ground, this is not a flyaway. Be weary of the P2V as there seems to be a handful of reports and videos that look like true flyaways though.
If you do get a lawyer to force DJI to give original P1 owners a refund, I'll sign on too.