H1enoKaveri said:That's exactly what we want, the whole fuckin' gimbal falling off. Don't you realize the whole cam setup is real fuckin' light. That hitting the ground won't do ****. But when it's forcibly attached to the Phantom, things get much more nasty when **** hits the ground.
Thank you for your input, **** head
Dirty Bird said:Without the dampers, the entire gimbal is going to come off on impact and the camera is going to break when it impacts the ground. That or the wires are likely to rip apart. I think your crash was just fortunate.
Just as an aside, and not trying to bust on you, but people skills in a forum setting go a long way. Calling the moderator, or others, a "****" isn't going to win you many friends. And is it really necessary to use the F-bomb in every sentence?
H1enoKaveri said:It hit very tall trees on RTH and crashed. Oh how I wish they could give us an option to increse RTH altitude?
H1enoKaveri said:this one was good, made me laugh alrite :lol: thanks
H1enoKaveri said:Ok so I had to create a new account just for this, because fuckin' **** head moderator Geert decided to ban my original account. Thank you Geert.
Well whatever. I'm here to tell you how you can save the 800€ camera&gimbal cost in case of crash.
And I know, because I crashed today. My first crash. I'll make this quick: I ****** up myself. I ventured where no signal could ever go, and it wanted to return home. It tried to return, but there were obstacles in the way. So yea, down we came. I even saw it on the live video.. It hit very tall trees on RTH and crashed. Oh how I wish they could give us an option to increse RTH altitude?
Anyways, after about an hour of searching around the area, I found the ****** with the all-to-familiar camera and gimabal broken off.
Well you know what? No camera shaft broken. No axis, nothing came apart. The whole cam assembly had gently broken off the Phantom, it was just there laying beside the bird waiting to be picked up. And I came down from at least 60ft hitting branches on the way.
Heads up: THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANY DAMAGE TO THE GIMBAL OR CAMERA WHEN YOU CRASH.
This is due to a simple modification, that I did immediatly when I got my P2V+:
You know the two funny little bolts they have, making sure the cam doesn't fall off incase the urethane or whateverthefuck rubber thingies fail? They forcibly keep the camera attatched to the Phantom. And when you crash, it's your **** kimbal motors and camera shafts and **** that have to take the force of the impact.
So yea, do as I did: cut off the two bolts under the cam. Remove them. Just let it hang by the rubbers. If the ****** hits ground hard, it will come off completely and all you have to do is attach the three sets of wires and you're back online. No gimbal damage, no "the flat black cable" damage. The whole fuckin' thing just falls off easily, and you can re-attach.
Thank me.
wharfbanger said:I posted on this topic a couple of weeks back and totally agree. I have been flying without the plastic pins for 2 months.
Dirty Bird said:Without the dampers, the entire gimbal is going to come off on impact and the camera is going to break when it impacts the ground. That or the wires are likely to rip apart. I think your crash was just fortunate.
Just as an aside, and not trying to bust on you, but people skills in a forum setting go a long way. Calling the moderator, or others, a "****" isn't going to win you many friends. And is it really necessary to use the F-bomb in every sentence?
Dirty Bird said:wharfbanger said:I posted on this topic a couple of weeks back and totally agree. I have been flying without the plastic pins for 2 months.
How many times have you crashed since you removed the pins?
wharfbanger said:It is possible that the camera/gimbal will break if they impact the ground at speed. But this was apparently not the case in Heno's accident. By the time the camera/gimbal break free, much of the energy of impact will have dissipated elastically into the rubber dampers. In other words, by allowing the rubber dampers to stretch out to their maximum extents the camera/gimbal has an opportunity to decelerate gradually. This opportunity is not available if the high density plastic pins arrest the fall of the camera/gimbal very suddenly. It is this sudden arrest that causes the camera shaft/ribbon cable to shear Its sort of like the suspension on an old car reaching the end of its travel on a big pot hole, which releases a big shock through the cabin of the car (and your body)!
Dirty Bird said:wharfbanger said:It is possible that the camera/gimbal will break if they impact the ground at speed. But this was apparently not the case in Heno's accident. By the time the camera/gimbal break free, much of the energy of impact will have dissipated elastically into the rubber dampers. In other words, by allowing the rubber dampers to stretch out to their maximum extents the camera/gimbal has an opportunity to decelerate gradually. This opportunity is not available if the high density plastic pins arrest the fall of the camera/gimbal very suddenly. It is this sudden arrest that causes the camera shaft/ribbon cable to shear Its sort of like the suspension on an old car reaching the end of its travel on a big pot hole, which releases a big shock through the cabin of the car (and your body)!
I completely understand your hypothesis, but it is only theoretical. Unlike a car's shock absorbers, where the direction of impact to be dampened is known and relatively straightforward, you don't know in which direction the forces are going to be applied in an aircraft crash. Will the Phantom crash perfectly level, upside down, at a 37 degree angle on one nacelle, etc.? Anti-drop pins or not, the Vision+ gimbal/camera mechanism is light and fragile, and highly likely to be damaged with or without the pins.
It is true that Potty Mouth's camera survived, but occasionally a gimbal survives a serious crash. Witness MidWestJeff's bird crashing after striking the tower. There's just no hard evidence that the gimbal is going to fare any better with or without the pins installed. If you feel more comfortable with them removed that is, of course, a personal decision. Hopefully you will never discover whether their removal aids in a crash.
Mine too mate!Dirty Bird said:Over time we will find out if the gimbal fares better with or without the anti-drops installed. I guess that's really sort of unfortunate.
My plan is to avoid crashing!