What do you guys charge for aerial media?

[Joe88keys]

If your clients view it as your hobby, they will treat you accordingly. They will low ball you. Sometimes they will expect you to work for free. They will cancel on you at the last minute. They won't call or text you back. They will be late. They will generally treat you like you're their friend and not like someone who is providing a valuable service.
Seriously. If you charge and are paid, do yourself a favor and take it up a notch. People will pay you for it. You may have to start out slow, but if your work is good, you WILL get paid for it.
-Jeiel Shamblee
Owner and Photographer @ Jeicam Photography. www.jeicam.net

Jeiel,
I just wanted to take a minute to thank you for this helpful advice. It makes a lot of sense to me and gives me a lot to think about as I pursue my interest in non-flying landscape photography. It is great to have someone who has been there warn of potential pitfalls.
Joe

 

[Jussaguy]

@John Locke

I could have sworn I just posted this but I don't see it. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong spot.

According to this FAA form taken directly from the FAA.org website, this is a brand new application for a COA for ANY UAS OPERATOR to fly with a 333 exemption and it would appear to me "any UAS operator with a 333 exemption" is just that.

Please correct my misinformation if I'm wrong. It should be noted that it's marked May, 2016

Please note ISSUE TO "Any Operator with a valid Section 333 Grant of Exemption"

 

[olof Ekbergh]

@John Locke

I could have sworn I just posted this but I don't see it. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong spot.

According to this FAA form taken directly from the FAA.org website, this is a brand new application for a COA for ANY UAS OPERATOR to fly with a 333 exemption and it would appear to me "any UAS operator with a 333 exemption" is just that.

Please correct my misinformation if I'm wrong. It should be noted that it's marked May, 2016

Please note ISSUE TO "Any Operator with a valid Section 333 Grant of Exemption"

It says very clearly:

 

[olof Ekbergh]

Jussaguy, this is a good video explains what needs to be done once you have your 333:

 

[Jussaguy]

Yeah, but does it require any flavor of a pilot's license. "Any operator OR pilot" lends me to believe this is a waiver to that. This form is a COA waiver to the 333 exemption rules if flying below 400 feet and is "Issued to any operator of a valid 333 exemption". I am not clear on what is clear from what you quoted. TBH, I don't even know if it's saying what I'm reading is the way I think I'm reading it or not.

I also just pulled this directly from the FAA website

Section 333 exemption holders will automatically receive a “blanket” 400 foot COA. For new exemption holders, the FAA will issue a COA at the time the exemption is approved. Anyone who wants to fly outside the blanket parameters must obtain a separate COA specific to the airspace required for that operation.

It would seem to me that that separate COA would be the pilot's license that is necessary to fly within the airspace required by the different types of license. For an extreme example, a Sport Pilot license does not have the authority to request to ascend to 15,000 feet.

I have YET to hear anything uniform here. I don't claim to have the answers but the ones that seem to, are all saying different things, and with the exception of DAP who said a Sport or Rec license is just saying "Pilot's license" which is a bit of a generic term since there are several. And there are "ground school" certificates contrary to what some have told me here. I have read about them in existence and I have read several times on the FAA website as I am trying to learn what I thought I knew but didn't it mention that phrase exactly. It considers "hours of education" and "hours of flight time" two separate things and every license and certificate have a variable amount of ground and air time to achieve the license or whatever certificate and no, engineers, tower people, and mechanics all must receive various forms of certificates that don't require a single hour of air training so at the very least, I am sure that not all certificates require flight. In fact, I think out of all of them, the only ones that do are sport, recreation, pilots, private, commercial, airliner, and transport and all other do not.

Are people actually reading the FAA rules or just inbreeding information?

Either way, I'm finding everyone's level of assiduity is certainly suspect considering nobody is saying the exact same thing.

I DO NOT CLAIM to know the answers but I am certainly not listening to anyone here over the FAA. I'd be happy to hear interpretations as it's, even though in plain English, not exactly easy to rifle through and understand but I don't claim to.

 

[Jussaguy]

Jussaguy, this is a good video explains what needs to be done once you have your 333:

I have to run to a lunch right now and I'll be back and would love to watch this. At a glance it looks like it's from a school so I am definitely going to listen to it but then again, there is also an ever changing landscape and I am a "from the horse's mouth" kind of guy and since there is no real consensus here, I have just decided to read nothing but the FAA info as it is from the source. I will however watch this as soon as I get back.

For the record, if I need to go get myself a Sport License, I will. I have actually always wanted to. I also wanted to take the ground school just to be able to read the sectionals and speak to the tower properly.

That's besides the point though.

Thanks for the link.

 

[olof Ekbergh]

Yeah, but does it require any flavor of a pilot's license. "Any operator OR pilot" lends me to believe this is a waiver to that. This form is a COA waiver to the 333 exemption rules if flying below 400 feet and is "Issued to any operator of a valid 333 exemption". I am not clear on what is clear from what you quoted. TBH, I don't even know if it's saying what I'm reading is the way I think I'm reading it or not.

I also just pulled this directly from the FAA website



It would seem to me that that separate COA would be the pilot's license that is necessary to fly within the airspace required by the different types of license. For an extreme example, a Sport Pilot license does not have the authority to request to ascend to 15,000 feet.

I have YET to hear anything uniform here. I don't claim to have the answers but the ones that seem to, are all saying different things, and with the exception of DAP who said a Sport or Rec license is just saying "Pilot's license" which is a bit of a generic term since there are several. And there are "ground school" certificates contrary to what some have told me here. I have read about them in existence and I have read several times on the FAA website as I am trying to learn what I thought I knew but didn't it mention that phrase exactly. It considers "hours of education" and "hours of flight time" two separate things and every license and certificate have a variable amount of ground and air time to achieve the license or whatever certificate and no, engineers, tower people, and mechanics all must receive various forms of certificates that don't require a single hour of air training so at the very least, I am sure that not all certificates require flight. In fact, I think out of all of them, the only ones that do are sport, recreation, pilots, private, commercial, airliner, and transport and all other do not.

Are people actually reading the FAA rules or just inbreeding information?

Either way, I'm finding everyone's level of assiduity is certainly suspect considering nobody is saying the exact same thing.

I DO NOT CLAIM to know the answers but I am certainly not listening to anyone here over the FAA. I'd be happy to hear interpretations as it's, even though in plain English, not exactly easy to rifle through and understand but I don't claim to.

Jussaguy, if the video I posted did not explain it clearly enough, and by the way those guys have a lot of other videos that explain in detail about how to file NOTAMS before commercial flight and a lot of other tips as well. Then I would call or visit the local FSDO (Flight Service District Office) and ask them. They will spell it out clearly for you. When I got my 333, I called them up, I already knew them as I am a pilot and I have visited them several times. They are very helpful, spent about an hour on the phone talking about the new rules, and they are happy to admit that it is a bit confusing, but they will clarify any questions you have.

Here is a link to all FSDO offices including Hawaii:
https://www.faa.gov/news/safety_briefing/2013/media/FSDO-Map_NovDec2013.pdf

 

[Jussaguy]

Jussaguy, if the video I posted did not explain it clearly enough, and by the way those guys have a lot of other videos that explain in detail about how to file NOTAMS before commercial flight and a lot of other tips as well. Then I would call or visit the local FSDO (Flight Service District Office) and ask them. They will spell it out clearly for you. When I got my 333, I called them up, I already knew them as I am a pilot and I have visited them several times. They are very helpful, spent about an hour on the phone talking about the new rules, and they are happy to admit that it is a bit confusing, but they will clarify any questions you have.

Here is a link to all FSDO offices including Hawaii:
https://www.faa.gov/news/safety_briefing/2013/media/FSDO-Map_NovDec2013.pdf

First off, THANK YOU very much. Your consideration and help is MUCH appreciated. I haven't even watched the video yet. I was just saying that I was just reading the FAA stuff to try and get what's correct and current.

That form I posted was dated May, 2016 for example. I defer to you and most everyone else here, especially pilots but the law is the law and it's not really clear here because of the emerging market factor.

I will continue after meeting some friends that are in town that I'm meeting for brunch. Thanks bro.

 

[ianwood]

Enough! Stop looking for a hole that isn't there. I am going to delete any further posts that even hint at the possibility of flying commercially without a certificated pilot at the controls.

 

[xgaul]

Ianwood can you just delete all posts that aren't even on topic please?


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[rockymtnrob65]

My insurance (USAA) told me my coverage would be under my property insurance... I'd prefer to have something specific--is there some special term I need to use?

 

[With The Birds]

My insurance (USAA) told me my coverage would be under my property insurance... I'd prefer to have something specific--is there some special term I need to use?

Public liability and property damage....

 

[Ghost Rider]

Finally an answer!

I never claimed to be right but this is the first answer that laid out anything with some detail. Type of license, etc.

I am aware all pilot licenses are certificates but so is an engineers or flight tower operators.

I defer to your knowledge but this is the first time you answered with some info other than general. My lawyer is our general council and not a specialist in this area.

You obviously know your stuff and I appreciate the answer with detail.

Dude, I copy and pasted the same **** on here three days ago. From the FAA website. I don't understand.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I like how the OP asked that this post not turn into a discussion about section 333 and that's what it has become. Lol. At least nobody is scolding anyone for not wanting to comply. I think that was the main point.

Meanwhile I have written down some good pricing information I have managed to sift through. Thank you to those who have disclosed pricing information. It helps greatly and is not expected.

 

[Jussaguy]

I like how the OP asked that this post not turn into a discussion about section 333 and that's what it has become. Lol. At least nobody is scolding anyone for not wanting to comply. I think that was the main point.

Meanwhile I have written down some good pricing information I have managed to sift through. Thank you to those who have disclosed pricing information. It helps greatly and is not expected.

I would be more than happy to answer and help but anyone that does, must do so generically.

As it pertains to making money with or without a 333, I have literally zero moral objections.

The problem is the question is completely too vague. It's like asking how much a house cost.

If you were to ask how much does X,Y and Z cost, if I've done it, and I've done most, id have an answer for you that would make some sense.

 

[Jussaguy]

My insurance (USAA) told me my coverage would be under my property insurance... I'd prefer to have something specific--is there some special term I need to use?

If you get it under your homeowners or renters insurance (I'm assuming property insurance is homeowners insurance) in order for it to be covered without your 250-750 deductible you need a special addendum that I can't remember the name of that you will pay an extra $40-$80 a year for that would cover the craft uniquely and without a deductible.

State Farm insurance office here in Burbank was not willing to do it but it's a case by case basis and I haven't really tried any more.

 

[MedinaTaylor]

If you get it under your homeowners or renters insurance (I'm assuming property insurance is homeowners insurance) in order for it to be covered without your 250-750 deductible you need a special addendum that I can't remember the name of that you will pay an extra $40-$80 a year for that would cover the craft uniquely and without a deductible.

State Farm insurance office here in Burbank was not willing to do it but it's a case by case basis and I haven't really tried any more.

State Farm calls it a "Rider". Mine is $60 a year.

 

[Jussaguy]

State Farm calls it a "Rider". Mine is $60 a year.

Yeah. A rider is a generic term for an addendum to any contract. It's definitely called a rider for sure but they also have another name for it specifically which escapes me.

 

[MedinaTaylor]

Yeah. A rider is a generic term for an addendum to any contract. It's definitely called a rider for sure but they also have another name for it specifically which escapes me.

You're right.

I just looked at the paperwork from State Farm and they call it a "personal articles binder"

 

[Jussaguy]

You're right.

I just looked at the paperwork from State Farm and they call it a "personal articles binder"

That's it!

Thanks because it was driving me nuts.