FAA Registration Rules Announced NOW

[Meta4]

Don't states regulate hot air balloons? I think they do... seem to remember reading something about that

The FAA seem to believe that balloons are within their domain:
Balloons – Regulations & Policies

 

[AlexSP]

Of course it's about control. Some drones are toys yes, but some like the P3 are quite advanced, sophisticated and capable unmanned aircrafts. A galaxy from, say, a plastic lightsaber or a RC scale Ferrari with LED headlights. That's a serious misconception from the part of many new pilots, and upon reading such statements it becomes clear why AMA would advocate some kind of regulation for MRs.

Because anyone who's ever been involved with RC hobby knows how serious an accident with any of these "toys" can be, and how dangerous these "toys" can become for people, animals and propriety in the hands of untrained/unexperienced/unaware/reckless or just plain stupid and ignorant pilots. We must not think of drones as toys only because they're "fun" or "plug-and-play-easy", it's just not the same thing. If millions of P3 are flying unrestricted everywhere it will be crazy, even without accidents, invasions or close calls. And everyone has the "right" to that, so some kind of control is clearly necessary.

So ultimately it is about control. Only time and development of the market and the use of MRs by all kinds of pilots around the world will dictate the path this control is going to take in the future. If millions of MRs are sold and nothing happens, then fine, we're clear to fly. Theres nothing to worry about and life goes on. If critical situations and accidents start to increase and security/privacy is threatened in some (or many) ways, then regulation and restriction will be required, even demanded, by society and not just politicians or authorities. And before all that comes control, yes so it's a first step but not necessarily a bad one, or one for the sheep. No one wants disorder.

I see no problem with control, in fact I'm all for it. I'll start complaining and fighting if that leads to unjustified restriction at some point. But not now, it's too early to think everything will go wrong and some cop or black suit will come up to jail my P3. Paranoia work both ways, for now I'll just relax, fly and keep an eye out, hoping for the best.

 

[newdayoutdoors]

I have owned many RC units in nearly every form since around 1990, including racing trucks and cars at various tracks, owned and flown many planes, copters, and quads. I know the seriousness of the hobby. I know the money of the hobby. I know the real seriousness to person and/or property from an accident. One of my "toys" that resides on the bottom of said lake has over $2,500 invested in the set up. I'm not some guy that went to Radio Shack and bought a quad with built in camera.

This is about control. Go ahead and "start complaining and fighting" after you have registered. See how far your complaints get with that once they crack down on you because you signed up for their inexpensive registration program.

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[Helijoc]

I'm not going to read through 55 pages of posts, but I'll give my 2 cents.

This is NOT about safety. This is NOT about the revenue through fees. This is NOT about liability. It is 110% about CONTROL. It is a model that appears innocent enough on the outside through small or free "fees" to lure in the sheeple. Once the sheeple have registered as owners of the inanimate object then they know who's door to knock on when they want to then control how that object is used, how many of that type of object the person is allowed, impose their might over the owner of the object at their will, determine who can and cannot have the object, and ultimately ban said object from the peasants at the government's will. It is a freaking flying "toy" for crying out loud. There are laws in place about where and how they can be flown. Yes some people will ignore these laws. Yes unfortunately a few people and/or property will get hurt. You cannot regulate stupidity. People and property are hurt or worse every day by many things we as a free society enjoy. It is a sad reality. But this "registration" of UAV's is simply another example of a bigger and more intrusive government that wants nothing more than to take away the freedoms of the citizens.

You all do what you want. As for me ... my UAVs all crashed into and sank to the bottom of a deep lake. I tried to recover them by rowing a boat out to them, but in my emotional distress over losing my expensive toys, I threw the controllers and POV equipment into the watery grave to reunite with their matching UAVs. Funny how my guns all sank to the bottom of the same lake in a duck hunting accident.

The FAA and our current socialist administration can kiss my backside.

Just one question. Was the registration current on your row boat?

 

[newdayoutdoors]

In my state, boats without a motor need no registration. Got any other smart [EXPLETIVE REMOVED] remarks?

 

[AlexSP]

Fine, then you know what's involved and you know why you can't just take your nitro JR or any other AC to just about anywhere and fly it as you will. But the guy who goes to a store and buy a P3 today was into deejay controllers or some other fad yesterday, and he thinks it's OK to charge it overnight and go break the world altitude record or do some other cool stunt with his new drone. Then slap it onto YouTube to show his friends how sick that was of course.

OK I'm talking about a minority going overboard, but the societal perception is at play and right now drones are in great evidence everywhere. The proportion of knuckleheads remain the same, so 1% or 100.000 is one thing but when that number gets critical, situations might take place. Unfortunately many regulations are defined by the exceptions, yes. It sucks, but that's life in society and in the long run it turns to good. Take that german pilot who crashed his plane into the mountains to kill himself and took 200+ others with him: now everyone needs better and more efficient control "just because of that wacko", but I admit I feel safer traveling with this increased control if that prevents or at least slims down the chance of my airplane to be taken down by a suicidal maniac or a terrorist.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that non-registered MRs will fly freely and unrestricted, if any general MR restriction takes place anyway? I'm just trying to figure out what's the point or the objective of non-registering advocates, because I see none if situation goes really critical. Key word here being "IF". As of now I've nothing to worry about because I've done nothing wrong, and if I do I'll stand, take responsibility and accept the charge as a man and citizen. Whatever happens, I'll have to deal with it one way or another. I have no illusion of control, so I'm giving up nothing so far.

 

[itsaz]

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[GoodnNuff]

In my state, boats without a motor need no registration. Got any other smart [EXPLETIVE REMOVED] remarks?

Is your car registered?
Are you a registered voter?
Do you have a driver's license?
Have SS #?

 

[AlexSP]

Is your car registered?
Are you a registered voter?
Do you have a driver's license?
Have SS #?

That's the general idea behind my point. I feel like I just can't hide, or in control of much, so I won't even bother trying much - especially if some situation hasn't even presented itself to demand the effort!! I'll do the best I can with what I have now and whatever, whatever

 

[joe21]

To be clear, no, no they didn't. They opposed it. You guys keep pulling these "facts" from thin air.

If thin air is their published comments in the FAA documents, then I guess you would be right. The FAA information clearly states that AMA was on board with registration. Yes, they wanted their "old school" members exempt, but they clearly pushed for registration for the rest of us.

To be clear, you and others seem to be pulling your rebuttals from thin air.

 

[joe21]

That is from last February. Most of them haven't happened yet, and maybe never will, but ya never know.

It doesn't matter if is was from ten years ago. That is the current proposal. My post was clear that those rules have not been implemented yet. That, however, is what is on the table. The "final" rules could be worse, better or the same. Unless something changes, however, those look like they will be the rules.

In the context of the post I was relying to, it was appropriate.

 

[Helijoc]

Is your car registered?
Are you a registered voter?
Do you have a driver's license?
Have SS #?

He was responding to my sarcastic response.

But his point is well taken. After the Snowden disclosures people were saying I don't care I have nothing to hide. When they take your voice will you opinion be it is ok I have nothing to say? Don't part with your freedoms so easily is the point.

 

[joe21]

You need to read further and fear less.
In the document you quoted, under the section titled: Applicability ... you'll find this:

This proposed rule would allow non-recreational small UAS to operate in the NAS.​

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Mea Culpa. You are absolutely right.

The link to that document is on the "registration" page. The reference to non-commercial doesn't come in until page 8 of the document. If you read the first few pages and then scroll down to the list of proposed rules, it is easy to get the impression this applies to all craft.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I do find your choice of words interesting. Why would I "fear" anything about this? I don't _like_ registration. I don't see the need for it. I don't think it makes anyone safer. Why on earth would I "fear" it? I find that an odd assumption.

 

[AlexSP]

What is the very very worst result that has come from some minority of drone operators stupidly or criminally flying their tiny plastic drones? Can you, or somebody else, share that? Airliner crashed? Airplane crashed? I would imagine it has to be some kind of fatality or life altering injury. You and others seem to paint a real threat from these devices, and I'm legitimately curious what the very worst thing has been in America as a result of a drone flight (not counting military drones, of course, they're super cool and good for the American people's safety when they're not being killed by them).

I'd argue that the threat isn't in the unit, but in the scale. As I said, 100.000 drones may mean nothing. But a 1.000.000 or more is a different thing. That's my opinion. If I can fly my tiny plastic drone (which the P3 is not but OK let's admit it for the sake of argumentation) then everyone has the same right. Drones are still small in numbers but serious planners must look beyond that. We only care about the next flight but not everyone has that luxury, I accept that.

But the crux to me is, if no threat is involved, then why not accept registration and regulation? Why fight it so hard? Individual rights? Registration is for control purposes, I agree. I guess we differ in the way that this control might be used in the future. I believe it's not agains us (as society or individuals) but to our good (again as society and individuals), particularly if we're to fly it right as it should.

Just like cars. If I fly my drone and nothing happens, then fine. But if something does happen - and admitting it can happen is being realistic to say the least - then authorities must make sure it is brought to justice, whether that means reparation or whatever. For that to happen there must be identification, thus the need for registration and regulation. And I want that to make sure I'm flying my drone without other paranoid types objecting it all the time or harassing me, not otherwise.

 

[joe21]

And I was asking here because I was totally unaware of a case where registration of anything led to confiscation - something that has never been pointed out.

We're not supposed to use firearm analogies, but you are a staff member and asked for it.

NY Safe Act of 2013. Mandatory registration of "assault weapons." Upon death of owner, registered gun may not be transferred. It must be sold out of state or turned into police for destruction (with no compensation). Under same law, losing one's pistol license for ANY reason results in mandatory confiscation of ALL owned guns (registered san unregistered). That is the case even where the person is still legally allowed to own and purchase long guns. There are verified reports of these provisions being used.

There are also many individual cases across the country of firearm confiscation (some for legitimate reasons, some not) that were made possible through the registration requirement.

I'm not going to argue whether the above is good, bad or indifferent. You asked for an example and then implied that one didn't exist. You now have your example.

 

[GoodnNuff]

None of those examples are publicly searchable over the internet by anyone with the exception of the voter registration.

However, as an admitted, convicted felon, you can't legally vote or legally own a gun, so you wouldn't know about that, as you also can't legally register to vote...

Hey little buddy, stop lying. The registration is not searchable by the public in the manner you think it is.

A few weeks ago a newbie asked what the rules were for flying. I posted a direct quote from a published article that outlined the "rules" and you had a hissy fit because you confused "rules" with "laws" - you wanted them called "suggestions" and you went off on me repeatedly for 2 or three pages. Because the quote had used the word "rule." You called me a liar. It was impossible, despite the links to the article, to make you understand I was posting a quote. You just couldn't get it. In an attempt to make you understand, I went back and added to the quote from the article, then you screamed that I had edited my post to change it - despite the fact that the line you took such exception too was still in the body of the quote. You behaved like an idiot until you had the thread shut down after numerous warnings by the moderators. All because you lack the ability to decipher between a quote and my words.

And now you are doing the same thing that you pissed your pants over when you thought I was doing it: - lying to forum members.

So instead of repeating your bombastic misinformation over and over, call the FAA and ask the nice lady that will answer how searchable this data base will be.

202-267-6556

I doubt you will call, you'd rather spread your BS here because you thrive on the reaction.

 

[ianwood]

Let's watch the tone. If you can't be polite, don't post. And unless you can directly link them to the topic (which you can't), talk of firearms and politics are verbotten (forbidden).

 

[LuvMyTJ]

C'mon people, keep it friendly or the warnings go out. This fight fest has gone on far to long.

@GadgetGuy FYI - you are 1 step from a warning. Just letting you know.

EDIT: ya beat me by seconds Ian

 

[GadgetGuy]

Hey little buddy, stop lying. The registration is not searchable by the public in the manner you think it is. you'd rather spread your BS here because you thrive on the reaction.

No lie, no BS.: "Additionally, as provided in the SORN, the general public will be able to search the part 48 registry database by the unique identifier. The name and address associated with that unique identifier will populate in accordance with that search." Page 148

You can't do that with a SS#, a DL #, or a license plate number. QED.

 

[TC Malker]

First it's registration, then there going to be inspection. Inspection? What do you mean?

OK, I'll explain sincere you asked. Twice a year there will be FAA inspectors coming to your house to inspect your drone data recorder. They will view all your flights, and if they see any violations they will either issue you a fine or confiscate your drone or maybe even arrest you.

What data recorder you asked? The secret hidden one inside your battery compartment. The one that DJI made it very difficult to tampered with, and with GO 2.4.1 removed an option on format data recorder.

So I suggest you guys disable this data recorder, unless you want a visit from serial killers or FAA inspectors.

Read here for more info:

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