Prop balancing.

OK.......a Full RPM prop.....tiny tiny ball bearings spinning terribly fast round n round they go........No seal from dust-sand grit-water....then a Unbalanced prop !
we can't control the sand dust and grit and moisture from the tiny small bearings....But we can control to check if we have a Unbalanced prop eh ?

All race motors are balanced to runn longer and perform better.
just see for yourself what a damaged lawn mower blade can do to a small engine....it will struggle to even run at high rpms and it will tear away at the case bearing.
I've seen threads like this mentioned here on the PP form many many times...nutn new here.
 
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I have an extra Dubro Prop Balancing rod if someone can use it. Opened only for photos & fit. All A ok..
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I’ve heard of the drinking glass as a base used.
How’s $8.00 shipped sound. PayPal..USA
 
The drone is primarily a photographic platform so it's an individual choice, depends how long you want your drone to last and what quality pictures you want from it.
 
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Sorry, that's not "balancing"!

Actually if you use a cross point screwdriver ... commonly termed Phillips ... as long as the working end is small - it does work. The point will find the centre / apex of the hub. Before I got my O-Day - its how I did closed hub props like DJI.
With correct end - its actually very accurate.
 
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Actually if you use a cross point screwdriver ... commonly termed Phillips ... as long as the working end is small - it does work. The point will find the centre / apex of the hub. Before I got my O-Day - its how I did closed hub props like DJI.
With correct end - its actually very accurate.
Thats exactly what I used.
 
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A simple sharp wooden pencil works as well as my commercial balancer. The only props found to be out of balance were carbon fiber props which I discarded. DJI props have always been perfectly balanced.

Thanks
Jim
WA5TEF
 
Its the age old matter of the 'new mouse trap' ..... old and new !
 
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I personally feel using a sharp point in the middle of the hub or anything that does not screw into the threads is prone to inaccuracies since the props attach to the shaft of the AC's motors using the threads. I tried a few methods and got very wild results.

My DU-BRO came with the dual threaded shaft.

I had jello on videos at one time. Balanced my props and replace silicone dampers and no mo jello!
 
I don't think it's a secret that some props aren't perfectly balanced. The real question is how much does that small imbalance matter?
I do check balance but only mess with trimming if it drifts more than a slow crawl to the heavy spot.
 
I built my own prop balancer for blind hubbed props. I suitably sized plastic box and two burned out Phantom motors. Remove the magnets from each motor ans mount them at the top of either side of the box. Simply fix the props in the usual fashion and bingo one clockwise and anticlockwise prop balancing machine. I also have two new smaller motors which I was intending to fit on the other two sides of the box. but the scrooge in me won't allow the wrecking of two perfectly good and new motors.

I've slowly collected hundreds ot new props over many years, mainly because I always make a point of having at least 3 spares of each type I use, and with so many planes that really adds up. Plus the fact you need double the number for quadcopters. It wasn't that long ago when almost every prop I purchased required balancing, Some very badly out of balance and a few totally useless due to voids within the hubs, they got binned. More recently I noticed I wasn't having to balance every prop. At a guess about 60% good, 25% needing minor balancing and the remaining 15% needing more attention. Maybe I'm fussy, but I have come across a small number of DJI props which need attention. This is a great improvement over say 10 years ago. But then I wasn't flying DJI quadcopters until recently.

The only props to come into my workshop which I've never balanced are the new DJI props. They'd have to be dismantled for balancing. Only because I originally purchased one of those rods for balancing DJI props I'm considering mounting a couple of hobby knife blades with stops on each end to stop the rod from dropping off the blades. There are a few problems with using a rod to balance, at least the one I purchased from Amazon has them. It's way too light and unless the prop is almost touching the first rest the darned thing topples. So if you're thinking of buying one avoid the lightweight aluminium type. In my opinion the heavier the better. I'm considering extending the standard thread on one end to the center and weigh it down with nuts.

One final point, I don't like the Dubro balancer. I think there's too much added friction as the rod is wedged between four non-moving surfaces. For standard props I prefer a good quality magnetic suspension type where there's no friction. I'm also not a believer in using sandpaper to remove weight, now that there's less weight change between balanced and not balanced I use a special adhesive tape I discovered during a 9 week stay in hospital. It's used when a patient is prepped for surgery. It's a tape which is stuck to the surface of the skin where the surgeon is going to cut. It's very adhesive and helps to keep the edges of the skin in place for when it's being sutured. I was presented with a roll of it when I left the hospital. It has a protective cover on both sides of the tape so it takes a few goes to get used to it. You peel off one side, stick it down and I found simply rubbing the top surface with a finger makes it peel off.

It's called Opsite Flexifit and comes in rolls of 5cm x 10 meters. If you know a nurse or doctor ask them if they can cut you off a couple of feet, It also comes in larger sizes, but the easier to handle 5 cm I've found to be the best. Just one word of warning. There is also a new release which has thousands of small holes. I tried it and it works OK, but I'm unsure of how it will behave over time. The standard tape I've run for a couple of weeks on and off and at all speeds on my test rig and it displays no sign of lifting. Oh yes, and it's almost invisible especially on the white props. One thing I have noticed is how much quieter a properly balanced prop can be. Even props on my Phantom one and two which only needed a slight tweaking sounded much quieter after a good balance. Happy flying.
 
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Yes is the simple answer. Maybe not by much - but because I prefer to have balanced props on ALL my models - I check and adjust.

But again I answer - Yes ... at least 10 out of my 12 with at least 4 of them more than the others.

Hi Solentlife, thank you, my wife is always complaining about my rather large collection of planes, quads, cars, trucks, helis and boats. I just told her I'm not the only RC Nut on the planet. Thankfully I'm not the only one. The one who must be obeyed put a ban on any more building until (in her words) I wreck a few to make more room. I have 20+ planes and rather large ones too still in their boxes which are begging to be built. I told her a while back I was going to buy a caravan and park it at the rear of the driveway and hook it up to power. She quickly told me I'd never have enough room to build the big planes. I told her the caravan was for us, I would use the house for building planes. I'm just glad she wasn't slicing the bread at the time. The idea of a caravan went over like the proverbial lead balloon.

Again thank you, next time she complains I'll remind her of you. Actually I'm a bit unfair, I get away with a lot and although she has a little complaining every now and then. 5 minutes later she's putting the kettle on for a cuppa. All I need is someone to help me maiden my collection and maybe wreck a few to make more room for some more. :) Happy flying mate.
 
Excellent post about using spare motors as a way to balance props, i have spare motors from a P2 which have the same threads as the P3 so I'm gonna do the same :)
 
Just make sure you use a left and right motor. The magnets are a mongrel to get out. Some almost fall out and others don't want you to remove them. Stick with it and make sure the inside of the drum has no pieces of magnet anywhere. A word of warning, DON'T LUBRICATE THE MOTORS. It introduces too much drag. I washed mine in laboratory alcohol to make sure there was nothing in the bearing to cause drag. Have Fun,
 
I've used a couple of cheaper DuBro knock offs and never got consistent results...so I've also given up. To echo above posts, the slightest imperfections of DJI's props shouls not be significant enough during flight to cause any serious concern.

RoOSTA
 
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I've used a couple of cheaper DuBro knock offs and never got consistent results...so I've also given up. To echo above posts, the slightest imperfections of DJI's props shouls not be significant enough during flight to cause any serious concern.

RoOSTA
I wish I could offer an opinion on Dji's props being well balanced as I've never checked them that precisely, I will tho using the motor method. Nigel reports many being unbalanced and I trust his word on that, other long time members here report never having an unbalanced prop. I guess not every single one will be perfect, but well within flightworthiness. So its just random chance mostly. But I am curious to test this myself:)
 
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There are a few problems with using a rod to balance, at least the one I purchased from Amazon has them. It's way too light and unless the prop is almost touching the first rest the darned thing topples. So if you're thinking of buying one avoid the lightweight aluminium type. In my opinion the heavier the better. I'm considering extending the standard thread on one end to the center and weigh it down with nuts.

For the simple reason the rod is not designed to be placed freely on top of runners. It is designed to be placed through the Du-Bro slots and rotate on the thin metal plates that should be able to rotate freely. If the plates do not rotate freely - which is rare - but can happen ... then simply dismantle the assembly and clean up so they do.

The Du-Bro and ODay machines are recognised as one of the best universal balancers on the market .... strange that.

i will finish with one comment : If you want to know what a prop balance can do to a model - then go to any flight line where large models especially helicopters are flown. Ask them what happens when a prop / rotor is not balanced.
It can literally over time shake joints apart ... stress and crack framing ... it is surprising what it can do.
The vibration that is set up by an unbalanced prop / rotor even at DJI size is an undesired effect that over time can damage electronics and frames.
 
Thank you solentlife for supporting, and explaining well, the need for balanced props (or any other rotating mass for that matter).
As a rotating equipment specialist, for many years with GE (USA), I am and always have been a firm advocate of balancing anything that rotates, hence this post. Many of the less felt vibrations, the high frequency ones, are the most damaging because you often don't know they're there, and these are the ones generated by things like the drone props spinning at high speed. Knock half a prop off and run the motor and it'll shake like mad but a mm off the tip won't, but vibration will still be there. It has to be worth the few £'s/$'s it costs to check the blade balance now and then.
 
I too do not understand why there is reluctance of some to make sure they have as best props as possible. For the few minutes effort - the rewards may not be so obvious - but the machine will be much better for it.
 
I bought the duo-pro prop balancer, and found a great difference after I got all 4 props balanced perfect. The are very well balanced right out of the box, but if you like getting close to tree limbs/leaves for interesting flight images, you very well will have a flying weed Wacker, and when that happens even though it will not bring the bird down, at least never has that happened to me, it's still wise to check the balance.
 

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