Bye bye phantom. It was fun :(

The UK CAA say no higher than 400 feet ABOVE GROUND LEVEL.

End of story.
Actually, the 400' is a guideline for hobby use drones, sorry, uav's, less than 7kg. Anything 7-20kg MUST stay below 400', anything over 20kg can only be flown in two areas of the uk, and neither of those places will allow civilian uav use.

The "dronecode" is guidance.

400' is GENERALLY accepted to be the limit of clear los vertically, and 500m horizontally, but, that all depends on size, shape, colour etc on what the limit actually is.

Cap722 is what you need to read.

"Operating within Visual Line of Sight means that the Remote Pilot is able to maintain direct, unaided (other than corrective lenses) visual contact with the UA which is sufficient to monitor its flight path in relation to other aircraft, persons, vessels, vehicles and structures for the purpose of avoiding collisions. Within the UK, VLOS operations are normally accepted out to a maximum distance of 500 m horizontally and 400 ft vertically from the Remote Pilot. Operations at a greater distance from the Remote Pilot may be permitted if an acceptable safety case is submitted. For example, if the aircraft is large it may be justifiable that its flight path can be monitored visually at a greater distance than 500 m. Conversely, for some small aircraft, operations out to a distance of 500m may mean it is not possible to assure or maintain adequate visual contact."

And

" The standard CAA permission for SUA/SUSA in the 7 kg or less category allows flight in congested areas to within 50 metres of persons, structures etc. (or within 30 metres if the persons are under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft). This category of SUA/SUSA cannot fly within 150 metres of open-air assemblies of 1,000 people or more where only a standard permission has been granted. "

Article 241 of the ANO, "A person must not recklessly or negligently cause or permit an aircraft to endanger
any person or property"


This is your 'get out of jail' clause for setting the rth to a height over 400', so as to clear surrounding structures. So if your chimney is 660', thats what? 200m give or take, then set your rth to 250m, that ensures your rth doesn't inadvertently break the ANO, which IS law, and ultimately is what any judge has to go by, not the 'dronecode' guidance.

Other aircraft will be giving the chimney a wide birth, as they have minimum separation distances to comply with too.


From the AIR NAVIGATION ORDERS.

This IS the law...

" unmanned aircraft

94.—(1) A person must not cause or permit any article or animal (whether or not attached to a parachute) to be dropped from a small unmanned aircraft so as to endanger persons or property.

(2) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft may only fly the aircraft if reasonably satisfied that the flight can safely be made.

(3) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft must maintain direct, unaided visual contact with the aircraft sufficient to monitor its flight path in relation to other aircraft, persons, vehicles, vessels and structures for the purpose of avoiding collisions.

(4) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft which has a mass of more than 7kg excluding its fuel but including any articles or equipment installed in or attached to the aircraft at the commencement of its flight, must not fly the aircraft—

(a)in Class A, C, D or E airspace unless the permission of the appropriate air traffic control unit has been obtained;

(b)within an aerodrome traffic zone during the notified hours of watch of the air traffic control unit (if any) at that aerodrome unless the permission of any such air traffic control unit has been obtained; or

(c)at a height of more than 400 feet above the surface unless it is flying in airspace described in sub-paragraph (a) or (b) and in accordance with the requirements for that airspace.

(5) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft must not fly the aircraft for the purposes of commercial operations except in accordance with a permission granted by the CAA."

Note paragraph (4), then subparagraph (c)

Also, from same...
"Small unmanned surveillance aircraft

95.—(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in accordance with a permission issued by the CAA.

(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are—

(a)over or within 150 metres of any congested area;

(b)over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;

(c)within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or

(d)subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.

(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.

(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

(5) In this article, “a small unmanned surveillance aircraft” means a small unmanned aircraft which is equipped to undertake any form of surveillance or data acquisition."

So, in fact, to stick to 'the law', when flying a phantom, you should set your rth to 50m higher than the highest structure. Then it avoids contravention of, ANO 95.(2)(c)

As, the ANO only restricts SUA over 7kg from exceeding 400' without CAA permission, then having rth set to 250m/800' with a phantom is legal, assumimg you can see it. So, if you want to fly high, put some strobes on to assist...
 
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Kind of yeah. By law you can't fly higher than 400ft.

That chimney is 660 ft
Read the FAA rules. It states that you can fly 400 ft above an obstacle. So, if the chimney is 660ft, you can fly 400ft above that. I live in a valley. The mountains around me are 420ft higher than my takeoff location. I am legally allowed to fly 400ft above those mountians. So, the altitude on my tablet using DJI GO Ultimate Flight shows my altitude as 680ft when I fly over the tops of the mountians, so I am still legal. The FAA site explains this, you just have to read through the rules to find it. I have a friend who uses his DJI P3 Professional to inspect towers that holds his wireless wide area Internet equipment. He called the FAA, and was told that he was allowed to fly 400ft above a structure, as long as he stayed within 400ft horizontal from the structure.
 
Read the FAA rules. It states that you can fly 400 ft above an obstacle. So, if the chimney is 660ft, you can fly 400ft above that. I live in a valley. The mountains around me are 420ft higher than my takeoff location. I am legally allowed to fly 400ft above those mountians. So, the altitude on my tablet using DJI GO Ultimate Flight shows my altitude as 680ft when I fly over the tops of the mountians, so I am still legal. The FAA site explains this, you just have to read through the rules to find it. I have a friend who uses his DJI P3 Professional to inspect towers that holds his wireless wide area Internet equipment. He called the FAA, and was told that he was allowed to fly 400ft above a structure, as long as he stayed within 400ft horizontal from the structure.

That's true in the US, but the OP is in the UK.
 
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Actually, the 400' is a guideline for hobby use drones, sorry, uav's, less than 7kg. Anything 7-20kg MUST stay below 400', anything over 20kg can only be flown in two areas of the uk, and neither of those places will allow civilian uav use.

The "dronecode" is guidance.

400' is GENERALLY accepted to be the limit of clear los vertically, and 500m horizontally, but, that all depends on size, shape, colour etc on what the limit actually is.

Cap722 is what you need to read.

"Operating within Visual Line of Sight means that the Remote Pilot is able to maintain direct, unaided (other than corrective lenses) visual contact with the UA which is sufficient to monitor its flight path in relation to other aircraft, persons, vessels, vehicles and structures for the purpose of avoiding collisions. Within the UK, VLOS operations are normally accepted out to a maximum distance of 500 m horizontally and 400 ft vertically from the Remote Pilot. Operations at a greater distance from the Remote Pilot may be permitted if an acceptable safety case is submitted. For example, if the aircraft is large it may be justifiable that its flight path can be monitored visually at a greater distance than 500 m. Conversely, for some small aircraft, operations out to a distance of 500m may mean it is not possible to assure or maintain adequate visual contact."

And

" The standard CAA permission for SUA/SUSA in the 7 kg or less category allows flight in congested areas to within 50 metres of persons, structures etc. (or within 30 metres if the persons are under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft). This category of SUA/SUSA cannot fly within 150 metres of open-air assemblies of 1,000 people or more where only a standard permission has been granted. "

Article 241 of the ANO, "A person must not recklessly or negligently cause or permit an aircraft to endanger
any person or property"


This is your 'get out of jail' clause for setting the rth to a height over 400', so as to clear surrounding structures. So if your chimney is 660', thats what? 200m give or take, then set your rth to 250m, that ensures your rth doesn't inadvertently break the ANO, which IS law, and ultimately is what any judge has to go by, not the 'dronecode' guidance.

Other aircraft will be giving the chimney a wide birth, as they have minimum separation distances to comply with too.


From the AIR NAVIGATION ORDERS.

This IS the law...

" unmanned aircraft

94.—(1) A person must not cause or permit any article or animal (whether or not attached to a parachute) to be dropped from a small unmanned aircraft so as to endanger persons or property.

(2) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft may only fly the aircraft if reasonably satisfied that the flight can safely be made.

(3) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft must maintain direct, unaided visual contact with the aircraft sufficient to monitor its flight path in relation to other aircraft, persons, vehicles, vessels and structures for the purpose of avoiding collisions.

(4) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft which has a mass of more than 7kg excluding its fuel but including any articles or equipment installed in or attached to the aircraft at the commencement of its flight, must not fly the aircraft—

(a)in Class A, C, D or E airspace unless the permission of the appropriate air traffic control unit has been obtained;

(b)within an aerodrome traffic zone during the notified hours of watch of the air traffic control unit (if any) at that aerodrome unless the permission of any such air traffic control unit has been obtained; or

(c)at a height of more than 400 feet above the surface unless it is flying in airspace described in sub-paragraph (a) or (b) and in accordance with the requirements for that airspace.

(5) The person in charge of a small unmanned aircraft must not fly the aircraft for the purposes of commercial operations except in accordance with a permission granted by the CAA."

Note paragraph (4), then subparagraph (c)

Also, from same...
"Small unmanned surveillance aircraft

95.—(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in accordance with a permission issued by the CAA.

(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are—

(a)over or within 150 metres of any congested area;

(b)over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;

(c)within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or

(d)subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.

(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.

(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.

(5) In this article, “a small unmanned surveillance aircraft” means a small unmanned aircraft which is equipped to undertake any form of surveillance or data acquisition."

So, in fact, to stick to 'the law', when flying a phantom, you should set your rth to 50m higher than the highest structure. Then it avoids contravention of, ANO 95.(2)(c)

As, the ANO only restricts SUA over 7kg from exceeding 400' without CAA permission, then having rth set to 250m/800' with a phantom is legal, assuming you can see it. So, if you want to fly high, put some strobes on to assist...


Thanks 2E0. THAT has made it a lot clearer. :)

I will still keep to the drone code though. 400 feet and 500 distance is plenty for me.
 
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I'm not going to comment on any UK rules, but there's been a lot of discussion about the FAA Part 107 rules - which, for the record, apply to ALL drone operators, including hobbyists, even if you don't hold a remote airman certificate.

While it's true that you may fly 400' above the top of a structure as long as you are within 400' laterally of the structure, you still need to keep in mind that controlled airspace doesn't change to accommodate structures. Airspace floors/ceiling are going to be constant. Most Class E airspace starts at 1200' AGL but a LOT of Class E airspace extends down to 700' AGL. If you're within 5 miles of nearly any airport, Class E will begin at 700' AGL.

So let's say this chimney was A.) in the US and B.) within 5 miles of a regional airport, you would likely NOT be able to fly OVER the chimney without ATC authorization. Unless of course you could keep your aircraft over the 600' of the tower and under the 700' floor of the Class E airspace...
 
Same experience... had a RTH after a critical battery... and was caught under the canopy in a rain forest... shot skyward, hit the branches and came crashing down... they replace both shells, gps, gimbal for about the same $178... and in a week.... no complaints from me... Mahalo DJI.
Must have been the going rate for such crashes. That's exactly what they charged me for same repair for similar crash: obstruction on ascent.
 
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Update. Phantom still away awaiting repair but I managed to get into the power station today and find the sd card which bounced out. And I managed to get the crash file working lol. TBH it doesn't show much. Phantom starts to fly home and clips side of chimney then video stops.

But I did recover some cool footage from earlier that night which will allow me to finish the video project of he power station I started working on so result.
 
Update :

Repair cost way too much.

So gonna sell remote with dbs already installed.

Battery's also

And either sell phantom as a whole for spares and repairs or break it down for motors, gps, antennas etc.

Anyone interested let me know. Based in uk but will ship if postage is covered.
 
Update. Phantom still away awaiting repair but I managed to get into the power station today and find the sd card which bounced out. And I managed to get the crash file working lol. TBH it doesn't show much. Phantom starts to fly home and clips side of chimney then video stops.

But I did recover some cool footage from earlier that night which will allow me to finish the video project of he power station I started working on so result.
Waiting for the video... :)
 
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Update :

Repair cost way too much.

So gonna sell remote with dbs already installed.

Battery's also

And either sell phantom as a whole for spares and repairs or break it down for motors, gps, antennas etc.

Anyone interested let me know. Based in uk but will ship if postage is covered.
Sorry to hear that brah... :(
 
Ok the video project I've been working on for a few weeks Ian's the one which also claimed the life of a phantom is finally done.

No I didn't include the crash footage. But if I get enough people wanting to see it I will upload it. But it's not really that great.

Anyway I managed to recover the memory card from inside the power station which is a great feat lol.

So here's a link.

Now I no normally videos can't be posted here but for the sake of this thread I don't see the harm??

So let me know in the comments section what peeps think. My phantom sacrificed itself for this video lol.


Darren
 
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Epic work there matey, that's proper hardcore porn for those interested in power stations. I'm only over in Shirley, so if you get itchy fingers and wanna get airborne again before you're sorted again you'll be welcome to hook up with me when I go flying at some point. I have a P4P sharing is caring so they say lol
 
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Epic work there matey, that's proper hardcore porn for those interested in power stations. I'm only over in Shirley, so if you get itchy fingers and wanna get airborne again before you're sorted again you'll be welcome to hook up with me when I go flying at some point. I have a P4P sharing is caring so they say lol

Hey buddy thanks for the awesome comments lol.
I would love to meet up, I would love to see the p4p in action for sure.
 
Nice video thanks for sharing sorry to read about the loss of you're phantom thanks again
 
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Now I no normally videos can't be posted here but for the sake of this thread I don't see the harm??

So let me know in the comments section what peeps think. My phantom sacrificed itself for this video lol.


Darren

Great stuff. And yes I definitely vote that you should post the crash vid...
 
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One of my adventures with my quad is that I had to replace the main board... at least 25 solder points, two cables and gimbal cushions to bring my Phantom 3 Standard back to life. Go for it.
 
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