LOL,Why dont you try your luck with your machete on Main St. in any town on Long Island and tell me how that works out for you..
"drone will be impounded"
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Had the beach police tried to take my drone for flying in class c airspace until I confirmed I filed a flight plan with ATC. My thinking, as I am also a private pilot, if you contact the airport first they appreciate the notification and keeps you compliant.
CSP officer is full of crap. MIA is over 30 miles straight line from Coral Springs. FLL is over 12 miles. FXE may be within 5 miles and PMP will be within 5 miles. However, if you are a hobby flyer, all you need to do is call the tower cab of these two airports, inform them of your location, AGL height you intend to fly (remember </= 400 AGL) and unless you are flying within their traffic pattern, will approve you for flight. They will ask you to call back when finished. I do this all the time. Just make sure the drone is registered and number (lable maker) on the drone and write down the initials of the airport tower controller; in case you're in conflict with Mr. Law Dog.
i'm in UK....so under different regulations, however. the important thing is cognizance of the applicable laws and physical areas/conditions which may lead to an infraction. Clearly the FAA is the authority setting guidelines, although, there may be civil, criminal and municipal [byelaws, statutes etc] that may also apply... e.g. trespass (civil), industrial espionage [commercial/civil], public nuisance [local govt/municipal] that still need to be considered.
.... a LEO could (conceivably) still seize goods based on a suspicioun that such were to be used in a commission of a crime, for public safety etc., causing a nuisance,invasion of privacy,some forms of trespass, or a host of other reasons...e.g. voyeurism,casing an area before a robbery, prevention of terrorism...you can land in a whole barrel full of trouble beyond a simple FAA fine
"Gee judge, I thought he was going to crash the drone kamikaze into the federal building...and it looked like it was carrying a package so I shot him- dead!" might (heaven forbid) become a tragic reality- so, DO consider your custom upgrades and think before you try and deliver your marriage proposal and engagement ring by drone...[ dark humor, tongue-in-cheek, worst case scenarios...."honest guvnor, I thought it was a pterodactyl and panicked, shooting it!"]
If we act responsibly- which means logging flights, checking with FAA ... not only will the profile of the drone community as a whole improve; if challenged by an officer you will be in a position to prove your legal, bona fide status and integrity. If you actively reach out into the police/enforcement community and build good relations, that does a LOT to improve how things can be viewed and education of non uav/ drone pilots is an absolute necessity - how else will they understand our sport, our commercial pursuits, our leisure interest...even those pro bono publico SAR enthusiasts...?
Sadly, human nature is such that there will be those who will use drones poorly, illegally or just plain stupidly. Lets keep the public expectation of good conduct high?
*thumbs up* great and salient points MapMaker53 btw.
.... a LEO could (conceivably) still seize goods based on a suspicioun that such were to be used in a commission of a crime, for public safety etc., causing a nuisance,invasion of privacy,some forms of trespass, or a host of other reasons...e.g. voyeurism,casing an area before a robbery, prevention of terrorism...you can land in a whole barrel full of trouble beyond a simple FAA fine
"Gee judge, I thought he was going to crash the drone kamikaze into the federal building...and it looked like it was carrying a package so I shot him- dead!" might (heaven forbid) become a tragic reality- so, DO consider your custom upgrades and think before you try and deliver your marriage proposal and engagement ring by drone...[ dark humor, tongue-in-cheek, worst case scenarios...."honest guvnor, I thought it was a pterodactyl and panicked, shooting it!"]
If we act responsibly- which means logging flights, checking with FAA ... not only will the profile of the drone community as a whole improve; if challenged by an officer you will be in a position to prove your legal, bona fide status and integrity. If you actively reach out into the police/enforcement community and build good relations, that does a LOT to improve how things can be viewed and education of non uav/ drone pilots is an absolute necessity - how else will they understand our sport, our commercial pursuits, our leisure interest...even those pro bono publico SAR enthusiasts...?
Sadly, human nature is such that there will be those who will use drones poorly, illegally or just plain stupidly. Lets keep the public expectation of good conduct high?
*thumbs up* great and salient points MapMaker53 btw.
Coral Gables, not Coral Springs...
Completely within 5 mile radius MIA, right?
My concern is the "impounding".
A ticket-fine is to be expected, no...?
Plain and simple. If you can drive to some place, away from airports and people where you are being safe and not bothering anyone. You can fly your drone safely and worry only that your inability to fly will be the only thing you need to worry about. Good luck finding that place where you live. Nothing like having to drive an hour for 15 minutes of fun.
Definitely any part of Miami is basically within 5 miles of an airport / helipad. So it would seem to be impossible to fly a drone in the entire city area without first informing the airport operator and / or control tower of any planned activity. Whether there is some technicality preventing LEO from actioning this may be a moot point, and one you would end up arguing in court but the looks of it. Would be curious to hear the experiences of people who HAVE reported intentions to fly to control towers and Airport operators, and what responses they got.
I think the simple fact that confusion abounds on this subject, and that no one, ANYWHERE, can claim to have a clear understanding of all this "drone" stuff is abundant proof that it's not "pretty straight forward".
FAA relies on local authority to enforce the regulations. In other words, local police can write up you a ticket.
As I read the B4UFly app it states heli pads and seaplane bases need notification prior to drone flights within 5 miles. I'm getting warnings on my P3P I'm within that range. It also appears that work is ongoing to automate that with an app within B4UFly, but not currently ready, nor would it guarantee the commercial operator would be linked. Not sure how that would work. Obviously these typically fly slow and low on approaches within 5 miles. I'm also alert to those VERY low flying choppers in mosquito abatement activity or tourist flight bases. All suggest heightened risks. We had a mosquito chopper go down a few years ago ... never proved it was a drone, but its worth looking around and listening first.
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At least somebody gets it. Swagger is probably not the best attitude when operating in contravention of federal law.
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This appears to be a generation both of people who do not understand metaphors, and who think Governments have "rights?" Those uneducated in the history of modern ideas on rights and the rule and nature of civil laws (let alone civility) — post Magna Carta) — cannot apparently get it into their heads that America was ONCE about personal responsibility for actions, not laws prohibiting all things. They even vote in Kings (Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and Trumps) to do their bidding by PDD or EO.
Sentient beings on a planet of sentient beings understand and respect the limitations and extent of personal liberties, and automatically respect the rights of others to the expression of the same principles. As a sentient being I would never think I had the right to say someone should be "locked up," or assume I had the knowledge or authority to recommend another for some sort of 'mental' evaluation.
However, those who do think this way (fascist/socialist, Big Brother butt-kisser, narcing, snitcher, busy-body-neighbor type mindset) should be 'chipped,' and placed on a small, cold, remote island somewhere surrounded by barbed wire and machine gun towers, and remain under 24/7 camera surveillance while sitting (without a cell phone and twitter) on the floors of their 6' x 6' stone slab floored, iron-barred cells, and take some time to ruminate over their lack of appreciation for the principles of personal freedom for a few years ... over their daily bowl of worm-meal gruel.
Now, maybe it's time to get back to discussions centered on multi-rotors?
Some if us still have commonsense which seem to be lacking in a lot of these post....
Are you dumb enough to challenge a law enforcement officer when confronted? Argue your a$$ off if you want, but it ain't gonna end well for you in the finish.
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"local police do not have the authority to 'write yo
u up' and/or impound personal property on the basis of a FAA airspace violation"
Technically correct. Realistically, very incorrect. The LEO, on the scene, if he takes your drone, is doing so to use it as "evidence" of the crime he is going to charge you with. It could be a simple misdemeanor such as "Criminal Trespass" (you had to stand somewhere while flying) to a Felony (you flew in such a manner as to cause a threat of injury to bystanders). He has an entire City/County/State Ordinance or Criminal Violation manual at his disposal and you have your mouth which is probably how things got that far to start with.
As a retired LEO I can say I have seen NUMEROUS people who, thought they knew more about the law than I did, talk themselves into a citation and property confiscation only to end up with a healthy fine & loss of property. When I read in these forums that "they can't do this & they can't do that and you tell them "this" or you tell them "that", I can usually tell who's younger than 25. Not being critical of youth, but they tend to comment with emotion. Not always, but more often than not .........
Common sense, for those who choose to utilise it, dictates the place for argument is inside a court of law, not standing in city park. A LEO ALWAYS has the last 4 words of any conversation, if he wants. Those being: You Are Under Arrest ...........
u up' and/or impound personal property on the basis of a FAA airspace violation"
Technically correct. Realistically, very incorrect. The LEO, on the scene, if he takes your drone, is doing so to use it as "evidence" of the crime he is going to charge you with. It could be a simple misdemeanor such as "Criminal Trespass" (you had to stand somewhere while flying) to a Felony (you flew in such a manner as to cause a threat of injury to bystanders). He has an entire City/County/State Ordinance or Criminal Violation manual at his disposal and you have your mouth which is probably how things got that far to start with.
As a retired LEO I can say I have seen NUMEROUS people who, thought they knew more about the law than I did, talk themselves into a citation and property confiscation only to end up with a healthy fine & loss of property. When I read in these forums that "they can't do this & they can't do that and you tell them "this" or you tell them "that", I can usually tell who's younger than 25. Not being critical of youth, but they tend to comment with emotion. Not always, but more often than not .........
Common sense, for those who choose to utilise it, dictates the place for argument is inside a court of law, not standing in city park. A LEO ALWAYS has the last 4 words of any conversation, if he wants. Those being: You Are Under Arrest ...........
Please check FAA- AFR 127 which covers operation of an aircraft within five miles of airport. It gives you ALT and radio frequencies, plus don't forget aircraft require transponders. Local Law enforcement can arrest or impound for interfering with operation of a Aircraft.
