Video and FPV for Phantom 2

[FASTFJR]

Thanks! Great info. So if I go with the Dji FPV which screen should I get that I can attach to my radio?

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If you already own a 5.8GHz receiver (RX) then any small, battery operated monitor will suffice. You should be aware that many of them go to "blue screen" when the video signal from the aircraft becomes too weak. You don't want this. What you want is a monitor whose picture gradually starts to degrade with increased video noise when the signal gets weak so that you still can see something until you reacquire a better signal.

If you do not have an RX, then you might want to look at some of the integrated receiver/monitor systems that have built-in (hopefully replaceable) batteries. A lot of this will depend on if you want a light, easily transportable system with a minimum or wires, velcro, and bits-n-pieces or if you prefer more "industry-standard" hardware that is often more flexible, serviceable, and replaceable, but is often bulkier and not as well integrated. It's a trade off.

So instead of buying a complete Storm Kit I could order a Phantom 2 package from B&H or others who already include the AVL58 5.8 GHz Video Link Kit. I wouldn't need to use the receiver part of it if I bought a monitor with built in 5.8 receiver like this http://www.helipal.com/boscam-7-monitor ... evier.html

Thanks

 

[ladykate]

So instead of buying a complete Storm Kit I could order a Phantom 2 package from B&H or others who already include the AVL58 5.8 GHz Video Link Kit. I wouldn't need to use the receiver part of it if I bought a monitor with built in 5.8 receiver like this http://www.helipal.com/boscam-7-monitor ... evier.html

Thanks

Yes. I bought the Diversity monitor (like the one at Helipal), a TS806, and an iOSD mini from rcdepothobbies- the only thing I had to add was a charger for the monitor (the rcdepot version doesn't come with a charger for the built-in battery). I got that at Radio Shack for $21 (500 ma 12 volt with 3.4 mm plug - "type H plug"). rcdepot is higher priced than helipal but by the time you add in shipping, assuming you live in the States, the price equals out... sort of.

 

[Ravecreative]

just a FYI

i just got hold of a lilliput 664w to test
against my generic 7" one (black pearl/boscam/etc - i think they're all the same screen inside, just different electronics)

I've gotta say, the picture quality is amazing - as to is the angle you can view it at

http://youtu.be/AEJl1VUjljA

this is a rubbish little video from my iphone
but it shows
a. the better colour and resolution
b. the greater angle of view
c. the slightly poorer latency of the display - its only tiny, so i dont really think it'll matter

hope it helps

(gutted ive gotta give it back - its not my screen, i just borrowed it to make sure my mount fits it)
thanks to dean at flydji.com for lending me the screen, and the avl58 tx

you're a star mate

 

[Teddyen]

might do that - i've made a new revised version, its much better

EDIT3: Everything taken care of. I've bought the Lilliput monitor, and have found the right place to place an order for the mount.

Hey!

I tried to PM you, but the forum wouldn't allow me to because I just registered a few moments ago.

Your holder seems magnificent, and I'd like to buy one! If it may break, I'll even buy two just to be safe.

I haven't actually bought the Phantom 2 or any FPV gear yet, because I can't seem to find an elegant setup that's fast and easy to set up without tools. This mount, combined with a thumbscrew/"coinscrew", and monitor with rx and battery (Black Pearl 7" maybe?) would be just perfect!

I'm an industrial designer/photographer/graphic designer/whatever (and banjoist) myself, and really like your work. I'm located in Norway, if you could give me a price on the mount with shipping.

EDIT: I should've read the last page; the last monitor you filmed there looked great. Does it come with an integrated battery and receiver? If so, I'd buy it straight away.
EDIT2: Should've done some more research before asking. Found the monitor here (http://www.lilliputdirect.com/Lilliput-664-W), and it seems like it comes with a Canon LP-E6 bracket? Luckily, I've got four batteries of that type, even though I shoot with a Nikon.

Now, I can sleep well.

 

[glennbalsam]

I could print you one - need to check how much shipping to the US is though

what colour do you want?
black or white?

How much are you charging Rave. To Bristol UK They look great!

 

[droneranger]

just a FYI

i just got hold of a lilliput 664w to test
against my generic 7" one (black pearl/boscam/etc - i think they're all the same screen inside, just different electronics)

I've gotta say, the picture quality is amazing - as to is the angle you can view it at

http://youtu.be/AEJl1VUjljA

this is a rubbish little video from my iphone
but it shows
a. the better colour and resolution
b. the greater angle of view
c. the slightly poorer latency of the display - its only tiny, so i dont really think it'll matter

hope it helps

(gutted ive gotta give it back - its not my screen, i just borrowed it to make sure my mount fits it)
thanks to dean at flydji.com for lending me the screen, and the avl58 tx

you're a star mate

OK, other than the fact that I just got my Flysight Black Pearl and haven't even used it yet, your video post makes me wonder if I made a mistake. But I did notice some differences that make me wonder if I'm still OK. The Lilliput is not a diversity receiver, so that might be a minus. Also, if the specs are correct, the frequencies that it receives are not the same as the ones that the AVL-58 transmits; close, but not exact. This might affect range also. The Flysight works with 32 frequencies, the Lilliput only 7. On the plus side, you get higher resolution, a brighter display, better viewing angle, and the ability to use standard professional and prosumer camera batteries. It is also 50%-75% more expensive. I believe that this monitor was originally designed as a field monitor for HDSLR and camcorder users and then modified for the FPV role. It certainly looks superior to the Black Pearl when it comes to the image specs, but I wonder if it is as good as a receiver. Will you be testing it out in the field at range? Also, does the Lilliput use the same type of antenna connector as the Flysight (pin in connector. hole in antenna)?

 

[droneranger]

Thanks! Great info. So if I go with the Dji FPV which screen should I get that I can attach to my radio?

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

If you already own a 5.8GHz receiver (RX) then any small, battery operated monitor will suffice. You should be aware that many of them go to "blue screen" when the video signal from the aircraft becomes too weak. You don't want this. What you want is a monitor whose picture gradually starts to degrade with increased video noise when the signal gets weak so that you still can see something until you reacquire a better signal.

If you do not have an RX, then you might want to look at some of the integrated receiver/monitor systems that have built-in (hopefully replaceable) batteries. A lot of this will depend on if you want a light, easily transportable system with a minimum or wires, velcro, and bits-n-pieces or if you prefer more "industry-standard" hardware that is often more flexible, serviceable, and replaceable, but is often bulkier and not as well integrated. It's a trade off.

So instead of buying a complete Storm Kit I could order a Phantom 2 package from B&H or others who already include the AVL58 5.8 GHz Video Link Kit. I wouldn't need to use the receiver part of it if I bought a monitor with built in 5.8 receiver like this http://www.helipal.com/boscam-7-monitor ... evier.html

Thanks

That is correct. Plus, they will do the install for you I believe. And you will have a second receiver for another simultaneous viewer if needed.

 

[hcstokka]

The LCD mount look great! Would love to get hold of one... Tried to PM you, but the forum would not allow me (just registered).

 

[Bira]

Can u check the price of ur bracket to USA zip code 33442 ,please..? Thanks..

 

[skavan]

Hi all,

Just wanted to report that I have successfully connected my P2 to both an iPad and a Nexus 7 for FPV with low latency - and I don;t mean using the GoPro wifi! Still more to come - but here's the story so far:

http://www.phantompilots.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8225

 

[mrand]

OK, I’m new to the Phantom 2, but I have been flying my Vision for a few weeks. I decided that I wanted to use my GoPro instead of the Vision for photo and video so here’s the setup I’m going to order today. I would love feedback on if I got all the pieces and also if I should be looking at other pieces or upgrading anything on my list. I have a huge shoot next weekend that I’d love to use the new set-up on so I’m hoping I haven’t forgoten anything. I want to be able to fly with the Ground Station and also FPV. Using my iPhone with the vision was very cool, so I want to take it to the next level.

What I have so far:

Phantom 2
GoPro
2.4g Data Link
Zenmuse H3-2D Gimble
Ground Station for iPad

What I’m going to order:
DJI iosd mini
Can Bus Hub
ImmersionRC Fatshark 600mW 5.8GHz TX
Black Pearl 7" FPV LCD HD Monitor with Built in Diversity Receiver 32 Channel 5.8GHz with battery and charger
DJI FPV Hub

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

[droneranger]

OK, I’m new to the Phantom 2, but I have been flying my Vision for a few weeks. I decided that I wanted to use my GoPro instead of the Vision for photo and video so here’s the setup I’m going to order today. I would love feedback on if I got all the pieces and also if I should be looking at other pieces or upgrading anything on my list. I have a huge shoot next weekend that I’d love to use the new set-up on so I’m hoping I haven’t forgoten anything. I want to be able to fly with the Ground Station and also FPV. Using my iPhone with the vision was very cool, so I want to take it to the next level.

What I have so far:

Phantom 2
GoPro
2.4g Data Link
Zenmuse H3-2D Gimble
Ground Station for iPad

What I’m going to order:
DJI iosd mini
Can Bus Hub
ImmersionRC Fatshark 600mW 5.8GHz TX
Black Pearl 7" FPV LCD HD Monitor with Built in Diversity Receiver 32 Channel 5.8GHz with battery and charger
DJI FPV Hub

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

OK, here's my $.02 worth. Get the 3 axis gimbal instead of the 2 axis gimbal. You have a spare open CAN Bus port on the iOSD so unless you need more ports, you don't need the CAN Bus hub. Not sure why you're using a ground station for aerial photo/video, but OK. Consider circular polarization antennas instead of the stock ones. With all that hardware, you're shortening your flight time, so consider using the DJI FPV hub as a plug-in unit and only mount what you need for a given job. Good luck!

 

[mrand]

I'm using the ground station so I can fly via waypoints for certain video shoots. Certain shoots will require me to shoot in the summer and then repeat in the fall and winter. I can save the waypoints and fly the exact same route each time.

I plan on getting the H3-3D gimble as soon as I can.

As for the circular polarization antennas, can you recommend some good ones?

Thanks for the tips and advice. Much appreciated.

 

[droneranger]

I'm using the ground station so I can fly via waypoints for certain video shoots. Certain shoots will require me to shoot in the summer and then repeat in the fall and winter. I can save the waypoints and fly the exact same route each time.

I plan on getting the H3-3D gimble as soon as I can.

As for the circular polarization antennas, can you recommend some good ones?

Thanks for the tips and advice. Much appreciated.

That makes total sense. Doing some sort of seasonal surveys, then?

I use the FlySight CP antennas. They seem to be more rugged than most and you can bend them without damage. Just make sure that you get them both in the same "handed" polarization (either right-hand or left-hand). It really doesn't matter which so long as both the TX and RX are the same.

 

[mrand]

I do photography for a bunch of colleges and they all want aerial photos and video.

I know the Phantom will be wayed down with all this tech stuff on board. I did see that some people have gone with different propeller motors to offset the weight. I haven't looked into that yet. Would that be an option? Like these ones--

http://www.rctigermotor.com/html/2013/A ... 16/76.html

 

[mrand]

Are these what you are talking about?

http://www.dronefly.com/ProductDetails. ... e=FlySRXTX

 

[droneranger]

Are these what you are talking about?

http://www.dronefly.com/ProductDetails. ... e=FlySRXTX

Yes, that's it. They come in 2 versions (hole or pin type SMA connector). Just make sure that you get the proper one so that the connector mates with the particular TX and RX modules you're using.

 

[droneranger]

I do photography for a bunch of colleges and they all want aerial photos and video.

I know the Phantom will be wayed down with all this tech stuff on board. I did see that some people have gone with different propeller motors to offset the weight. I haven't looked into that yet. Would that be an option? Like these ones--

http://www.rctigermotor.com/html/2013/A ... 16/76.html

Yes, to some extent. You always have to balance the increased weight and power consumption of a more powerful motor against the added thrust it provides. Stiffer propellers, on the other hand, do not add any significant weight (sometimes they're even lighter), but do provide a performance increase. If speed isn't an issue for you, then your limiting factor will be payload and flight time. DJI told me that you can add up to 1000Gms in payload, effectively doubling the P2's maximum takeoff weight. I would not recommend maxing out your payload as this will make for a woefully underpowered and unstable aircraft. I think my current TOW (takeoff weight) is around 1350Gms. I probably wouldn't exceed around 1500Gms or so just to keep a decent safety margin. Flight times for me at that weight are around 15-17 minutes depending on conditions and power settings.

 

[GhostMaster]

Forget about immersionRC 600mw and black Pearl, you will get a por range and image quality, go for a boscam ts353 and boscam 5802.

Here is a very cheap FPV setup, you can get 1km+ range with this setup, its a nice start to FPV.
And if you use a directional antenna on the receiver you could go above 2km.

Boscam TS351: http://j.mp/1iwjZzR
Boscam TS353 400mw: http://j.mp/1gJ6t7s
Boscam receiver RC305 5.8Ghz: http://j.mp/1cRoJjy

RC305 + TS353 combo: http://j.mp/1iuhzQ6

Antennas (circular polarized)
cloverleaf antenna to rx: http://j.mp/1arIRFU
Cloverleaf antenna to tx: http://j.mp/1dG8kbW

7" LCD: http://j.mp/1d7kwsr
Boscam 7" RX-LCD5802 5.8GHz Diversity Receiver: http://j.mp/1lZuham

Just to show how well this setup works here is a video i found on youtube (4.6 km on minute 8:14), in the description is the setup used, and you can read RC305 and TS351, just like this setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pkYzuNXp_c

 

[DattaGroover]

Forget about immersionRC 600mw and black Pearl, you will get a por range and image quality, go for a boscam ts353 and boscam 5802.

Here is a very cheap FPV setup, you can get 1km+ range with this setup, its a nice start to FPV.
And if you use a directional antenna on the receiver you could go above 2km.

Boscam TS351: http://j.mp/1iwjZzR
Boscam TS353 400mw: http://j.mp/1gJ6t7s
Boscam receiver RC305 5.8Ghz: http://j.mp/1cRoJjy

RC305 + TS353 combo: http://j.mp/1iuhzQ6

Antennas (circular polarized)
cloverleaf antenna to rx: http://j.mp/1arIRFU
Cloverleaf antenna to tx: http://j.mp/1dG8kbW

7" LCD: http://j.mp/1d7kwsr
Boscam 7" RX-LCD5802 5.8GHz Diversity Receiver: http://j.mp/1lZuham

Just to show how well this setup works here is a video i found on youtube (4.6 km on minute 8:14), in the description is the setup used, and you can read RC305 and TS351, just like this setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pkYzuNXp_c

Just curious, have you tried both this and the Black Pearl/ Immersion setup?