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Suggesting a Std problem symtom form

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by IrishSights, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. IrishSights

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    Is just me or is it an increasing trend that posts here regarding flight problems uselessly describe the problem as a flyaway, when its not, automaticlly blame the Phantom itself or the firmware version or, like one who just uses the 'f' word 3 times. To be honest I'm fed up with all this and I'm, at least for a while, backing out of offering any sort help on this forum as its taking up too much time before you get down to the facts of a problem.

    To try and help people as best as possible what about designing a problem flight symtom form that everyone who has a problem has to fill-in before their problem can be diagnosed? A list of simple questions describing the whole thing, model, prop-guards, payload, flight scenerio, including, battery state, firmware state, firmware upgrade procedural statement, weather conditions, environmental conditions (sea, cliffs, trees, buildings, cell towers, HT wires etc)....

    Once its refined, make it a sticky.

    Its so much quicker to offer diagnosis when you have all the facts and the understandable emotion is out of the way. If pilots want serious help they will go through the process of filling in the form, so we can all respond more effectively.

    I remember one where there was a tumble in mid flight, and only after some post traffic it turned out that the guy was flying in 40km wind!

    It would take someone with more experience and time than me to kick off with a draft form.

    On another note, where are the moderators when bad language is flying about? Unless they find it acceptable of course.

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  2. Ozzyguy

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    Im stating to shy away from answering to many questions myself. I don't need the kind of attitude some are giving and the people who simply could not be bothered reading a manual are sometimes to much to bear.
     
  3. IrishSights

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    ++++1 !

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  4. The Editor

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    Yup - I am not so active on the forums now as I'm sick to the back teeth of answering questions like "What does one green flash followed by two red flashes mean?"

    We all had to read the manuals, watch the online tutorials and educate ourselves with the basics of flying these craft and I'm sorry but I'm not sitting here and going to spoon feed people too lazy to do a bit of reading or Youtube watching because they can't be bothered.

    I will be the first to offer a helping hand and advice for someone who is genuinely trying to help themselves and is really stuck with an issue - but come on.... questions like "Where can I buy spare batteries" or "How do I calibrate the compass" are just laziness.

    Phew... OK.. Rant over...... Who needs help :D
     
  5. discv

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    No, Irish, it is not just you.

    It all started to go downhill around the time that the P1 price dropped. It's hard to define exactly why.

    But certainly the profile of the typical Phantom owner changed. Reading and trying to understand the manual all but stopped.

    With notable exceptions, posts submitted without a member location is a fair indicator the post content.

    Again, in the early Phantom era, none of us expected to simply 'fly out of the box'. Many of us came over from Idea Ifly, battered and bruised, but united in the joy of just getting a quad in the air :)
     
  6. N017RW

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    +1.

    There's a difference between helping newcomers and... doing it for them.
     
  7. Happyflyer

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    I agree a form for problems. I also have thought when a person registers they be required to state their location and have it show in posts. Not in any way narrowed down to your GPS location, but at least the country you are in. So many times the first question asked back to the poster is "Where are you located?" Since we are all scattered all over the World it sure would help.
     
  8. Kelso Kubat

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    complaining about other people complaining.
    i love it

    +15 for all of you! :shock:

    but on a more serious note:
    IRISHSIGHTS---
    WHY ARE YOU NOT ON THE ISLE OF MAN WATCHING OR AT LEAST FILMING THE TT FINALS :!: :?:
     
  9. IrishSights

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    How childish can you get...Grow up, if you can't be constructive keep your fingers to your own bad language posts.

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  10. Kelso Kubat

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    says the man who posted a post bitching about other people...
    again why are you not at the TT bra?
     
  11. Judderman

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    Some kind of standard format for analysis of crash scenarios sounds useful to me. Explanations are a bit all over the place.

    I think a lot of people are using the forum to vent. I have had one crash myself, entirely my own fault and never felt the need to share it with anyone. I had a momentary lapse and was just a bit of a rubbish pilot for a few seconds. I'm not for a moment saying that pilot error is always the case with crashes, but it definitely has to account for some of them.

    About the bad language...well, I know it's not exactly a nice way to communicate, but this isn't a place of work, nor would I imagine there to be too many minors frequenting the forums (a recent poll on this suggested most users were 50+, and phantoms aren't to be used by under 18s...if you go by the box anyway).

    So I'm thinking most of us here are adults, and even if I don't like it, and unless it's explicitly banned, I don't think we should be getting too worked up by vulgar language. If we were meeting in real life, people will use profanity - that's just how it is! Telling other grown men on a public forum not to use bad language sits a bit odd with me - even though I completely understand where you're coming from!

    That almost makes me sound as though I'm in support of the vulgarity - I'm not! I hope my somewhat confused point is coming across here :)
     
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    Irishsights i would suggest doing up a rough form with a crash checklist on a pdf
     
  13. IrishSights

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    My problem is I don't have the time right now with work and other priority stuff including family. Even helping out a bit with queries is out for me just now except for a short comment or 2. I'll try and start something offline but there are way more experienced pilots than me on here. So don't wait for me if anyone wants to start the ball rolling.

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  14. Ozzyguy

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    No problems. Hope all is well with you..
     
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    Below is a quick laundry list of crash report details that would make for better post-mortem by the tribe. Pasted below loses all the indenting / formatting and the forum won't let me attach .xls or .pdf. So I converted .xls to .pdf to .jpg. Feel free to take this starting point and add to it. PM me if you want me to email you the .xls.

    Kelly


    Aircraft details

    Aircraft model
    Firmware version
    Gain settings
    Battery status
    OEM or aftermarket
    approximate age
    # of discharge cycles
    Accessories on board
    iOSD
    gimbal
    camera
    vTx
    FPV antenna
    GPS tracker
    Ground Station
    Light Bridge
    Prior crash history
    Total takeoff weight
    # of days/flights since last compass calibration
    # of days/flights since last deep IMU calibration

    Ground Equipment

    Radio
    FPV gear
    DVR
    Ground Station
    Light Bridge

    Flight conditions
    wind speed and direction
    possible RF noise sources nearby
    physical obstructions nearby
    compass declination
    pre-flight check list
    battery % / Voltage
    # of satellites locked
    home position recorded
    flight mode at take-off

    Flight details

    General category of problem
    Fly away
    Power loss
    VRS
    Erratic behavior
    Corrective actions taken by pilot
    Pilot Narrative
    Probable Cause analysis
    Damage Report

    Post-Crash Data
    On-board video footage
    DVR footage with OSD overlay
    Lightbridge or other "black box" sources
    Aerial map with flight path trace (e.g., Flytrex, etc.)
     

    Attached Files:

  16. IrishSights

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    Great post Kelly, I enjoyed my Shredded Wheat even more this morning!

    Moderators please consider promoting this. If folks want to help refine it I'll edit my OP so its top of the thread.

    Not sure how to make it actually useable to a poster with a problem tho.

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  17. IrishSights

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    Add if prop guards are fitted as it seems to be a common problem to do with lack of stability.

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  18. wkf94025

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    Good catch. I will add prop guards to the list.

    Kelly