Section 333 exemption

In 333 exemptions, the PIC is always the person controlling the aircraft.

Agreed. We looked into this a while ago hoping that we could just have a hired pilot watch (be the VO). I know some people have the pilot (PIC) use the app so he/she has abort authority and another person (the good flyer) fly with a transmitter, but as far as the law, I agree with msinger.
 
I know some people have the pilot (PIC) use the app so he/she has abort authority and another person (the good flyer) fly with a transmitter
Assuming their exemptions have the same requirements as mine (which is very common), that would not be allowed. Only the PIC is allowed to control the aircraft with the transmitter. I'd be interested in seeing an approved exemption that states otherwise if you have one handy.
 
Mine reads just like your msinger. PIC is controlling aircraft rather than navigating or "on the ready".
 
Digging into this further I found some interesting things... I reviewed the FAR AIM, several granted exemptions including my own, COAs, and the N 8900.227 document (which has an expired cancellation date but the issue has not been address since (to my knowledge) and this could possibly be used as reference in a case). I would definitely recommend the pilot holding the certificate be the primary flyer... but it is a little grey. Interestingly, nowhere in my exemption or COA does it explicitly state that the pilot must be the PIC, only that the PIC is fully responsible for the flight and must be able to abort the flight and effectively control the UAS in emergency or for evasive maneuvers (see below). The wording seems to support N 8900.227 for the following (which makes sense if you have supplemental pilots for internal & external pilots. Without too much extrapolation I could see a transmitter pilot, app pilot, ground station pilot, etc. all based on talent, experience, and authority. Either way, I will follow up with our lawyers to get their views....

FROM N 8900.227 (7/30/2013 - 7/30/2014)

d. Supplemental Pilots. Supplemental pilots are those pilots assigned UAS flight duty to augment the PIC. It is common for proponents to have both an internal and an external UAS pilot. The supplemental pilot can assume either of these positions.

(1) Ratings. Supplemental pilots must have, at a minimum, successfully completed private pilot ground school and passed the written test or FAA-recognized equivalents. The ground school written test results are valid for two years from the date of completion, at which time the instruction and written examination must be repeated. If a supplemental pilot assumes the role of PIC, he/she must comply with the PIC rating, currency, medical, and training requirements listed above in subparagraph 15c.

(2) Recent Pilot Experience. The proponent must provide a process that ensures that pilots maintain an appropriate level of recent pilot experience for the position they are assigned in the UAS being operated.

(3) Medical. Supplemental pilots must maintain, at a minimum, a valid FAA second-class medical certificate issued under part 67 or the FAA-recognized equivalent. The second-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of the 12th month after the month of the date of the examination shown on the medical certificate, according to § 61.23. Section 91.17 or FAA-recognized equivalent applies to all UAS crewmembers.

(4) Training.
(a) UAS supplemental pilots must have:
  • Training in all specific details of the UAS being operated, including normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures;
  • Manufacturer-specific training (or FAA-recognized equivalent);
  • Demonstrated proficiency and successful testing in the UAS being operated.
(b) Proponents must maintain individual training records for all UAS personnel. All training must be documented by the instructor and initialed by the trainee.​

FROM FAR AIM 2014

Pilot-In-Command means the person who:
Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate for the conduct of the flight.​

FROM my CERTIFICATE OF WAIVER OR AUTHORIZATION

STANDARD PROVISIONS
B. Safety of flight
1. The operator OR PIC is responsible for halting or canceling activity in the COA area if, at any time, the safety of persons or property on the ground or in the air is in jeopardy, or if there is a failure to comply the terms or conditions of this authorization

PIC is responsible:
  • to remain clear and give way to all manned aviation operations and activities at all times,
  • For the safety of persons or property on the surface with respect to the UAS, and
  • For compliance with CFR Parts 91.111, 91.113, and 91.115
  • PIC is responsible to ensure visual observer(s) are:
  • Able to the UA and the surrounding airspace throughout the entire flight, and
  • Able to provide the PIC with the UA's flight path, and proximity to all aviation activity and other hazards (e.g., terrain, weather, structures) sufficiently for the PIC to exercise effective control of the UA to prevent the UA from creating a collision hazard
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SPECIAL PROVISIONS
D. Emergency / Contingency Procedures
1. Lost Link procedures
  • The PIC must abort the flight in the event of unpredicted obstacles or emergencies
FROM my SECTION 333 EXEMPTION GRANT
Conditions and Limitations

5. The UA must be operated within visual line of sight (VLOS) of the PIC at all times. This requires the PIC to be able to use human vision unaided by any device other than corrective lenses, as specified on the PIC's FAA-issued airman medical certificate or U.S. driver's license.

6. The UA must be operated within VLOS of the PIC and VO at all times. The VO may be used to satisfy the VLOS requirement as long as the PIC always maintains VLOS capability. The VO and PIC must b e able to communicate verbally at all times; electronic messaging or texting is not permitted during flight operations. The PIC must be designated before the flight and connot transfer his or her designation for the duration of the flight. The PIC must ensure that the VO can perform the duties required of the VO.

8. [After aircraft modification]... Functional test flighs may only be conducted by a PIC with a VO and must remain at least 500 feet from other people...

10. Prior to each flight, the PIC must conduct a pre-flight inspection and determine the UAS is in a condition for safe flight...

13. Under this grant of exemption, a PIC must hold either an airline transport, commercial, private, recreation, or sport pilot certificate. The PIC must also hold a current FAA airman medical certificate [or private pilot and above] or a valid U.S. driver's license [for sport pilot]. The PIC must also meet the flight review requirements specified in 14 CFP 61.56 [biannual flight review?]in an aircraft in which the PIC is rated on his or her pilot certificate.

14. The operator may not permit any PIC to operate unless the PIC demonstrates the ability to safely operate the UAS in a manner consistent with how the UAS will be operated under this exemption, including evasive and emergency maneuvers and maintaining appropriate distances from persons, vessels, vehicles, and structures. PIC qualification flight hours and currency must be logged in a manner consistent with 14 CFR 61.51(b). Flights for the purposes of training the operator's PICs and VOs (training, proficiency, and experience-building) and determining the PIC's ability to safely operate the UAS in a manner consistent with how the UAS will be operated under this exemption are permitted under the terms of this exemption...

19. The PIC must abort the flight in the event of unpredicted obstacles or emergencies.

20. The PIC is prohibited from beginning a flight unless (considering wind and forecase weather conditions) there is enough available power for the UA to conduct the intended operation and to operate after that for at least five minutes or with the reserve power recommended by the manufacturer if greater.

25. The UAS may not be operated by the PIC from any moving device or vehicle


Like I mentioned before, I am not advocating the use of a pilot other than a certified FAA sport pilot and above, but thought this was an interesting investigation.
 
The UAS may not be operated by the PIC from any moving device or vehicle
Here's a clue. The FAA is only prohibiting the PIC from flying from a moving device/vehicle. I'm assuming that means nobody but the PIC is allowed to man the controls.
 
My attorney hat (of course I'm NOT a JD) says that's not what they mean there. Doesn't VO stand for Vehicle Operator in the 333 Exemption section 6?
 
VO = Visual Observer
 
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Thanks msinger... makes sense. As an engineer I'm more guilty of acronyms than anyone, but the FAA is VERY egregious at it.
 
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I'm fuzzy on the whole COA thing. Once you have the 333, there are still situation where you need a separate COA? And do you get a blanket COA to operate in your area, under a set of restrictions, but then need a new COA if you go out of that area?
Or are they saying you need a COA for e dry job? Which would be ridiculous and impractical....
I need clarification ....
 
Most people with an exemption will never need a COA. The exception is if you're flying close to an airport.
 
I'm fuzzy on the whole COA thing. Once you have the 333, there are still situation where you need a separate COA? And do you get a blanket COA to operate in your area, under a set of restrictions, but then need a new COA if you go out of that area?
Or are they saying you need a COA for e dry job? Which would be ridiculous and impractical....
I need clarification ....
The 333 Exemption comes with a "Blanket" COA which covers a lot of instances you might fly in. But if you are wanting to fly in a situation outside of what the Blanket COA covers then you request a specific COA for a time, place, altitude etc. I hope I worded that to where it makes some sense.
 
I keep hearing mixed information. I hear that you do not need a 333 exemption since it's not an actual law but a guideline from the FAA. Then I hear that you can be fined.. I'm confused and am still looking into it. I'm just wondering if anyone has had any real world issues not having a 333 like receiving a fine or meeting with some federal authority.

Thanks


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I hear that you do not need a 333 exemption since it's not an actual law but a guideline from the FAA.
The reason you need a 333 exemption is because it's not possible to follow certain laws due to the way they are written (with manned aircraft in mind). The 333 exemption allows you to be exempt from certain parts of those laws. At this time, you definitely need a 333 exemption if you're doing commercial work. If you have any doubts though, call the FAA and they will be happy to go over the details with you.
 
The reason you need a 333 exemption is because it's not possible to follow certain laws due to the way they are written (with manned aircraft in mind). The 333 exemption allows you to be exempt from certain parts of those laws. At this time, you definitely need a 333 exemption if you're doing commercial work. If you have any doubts though, call the FAA and they will be happy to go over the details with you.


Thank you. To my understanding with a 333 you are obligated not to fly closer than 500 feet to structures or people and can not do so without a MPTOM. I also understand that most videos and pictures taken have been closer than 500 feet from the structure i.e. real estate photography which is in violation of the exemption. So I guess my question is if you have a 333 and you violate the laws/rules under them what good is the 333 and what are the repercussions occurring to people breaking the rules?

I also understand that they are trying to pass Part 107 which will basically superseded the 333. Is that correct?

Thanks in advance for your expertise. I am still learning all of the concerns behind this legal matters.




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To my understanding with a 333 you are obligated not to fly closer than 500 feet to structures or people and can not do so without a MPTOM. I also understand that most videos and pictures taken have been closer than 500 feet from the structure i.e. real estate photography which is in violation of the exemption.
All 333 exemptions are different. You will be required to follow exactly what has been approved in your 333 exemption. I've never seen a real estate related 333 exemption that stated the pilot was not allowed to fly within 500 feet of a structure.

I also understand that they are trying to pass Part 107 which will basically superseded the 333. Is that correct?
I don't think part 107 is meant to supersede anything. Even with those new rules in place, those who cannot follow the laws will still have to get a 333 exemption. However, I think the FAA's goal is to write the new rules in such a way that most common situations will be covered.
 

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