Real reason for P3P $799 Price

[arcaine25]

The W322B has 70% of the video power output of the original W322 from the aircraft, and the GL300C has 80% of the power output of the GL300A and GL390B. The W323 is the Pro version of the W322 Advanced with the same specs, except for the camera.

The W323 Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
(2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.7460000 )
FCC ID: SS3-WM3231503
2406.50000000 2476.50000000 0.7460000
===========
The W323A Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.6120000 (82% of the W323)
(18% more than W323B)
FCC ID: SS3-WM3231507
2406.50000000 2476.50000000 0.6120000
=============
The W323B Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.5200000 (70% of the W323)
==============
Even though DJI originally advertised a 1.2 mile range for the W322, it was actually well over 3 miles. They reduced the power outputs, and then quoted the new range, which is still less than the original W322.

If you are not using boosters and amps and a battery mod, you won't notice the change. If you are, you will.

I do not use any boosters, just straight vanilla from the box to the air. What is the battery mod and "amps", and why would I only notice the difference if i WERE using those?

 

[GadgetGuy]

I do not use any boosters, just straight vanilla from the box to the air. What is the battery mod and "amps", and why would I only notice the difference if i WERE using those?

Because without them, the control and video range on all versions exceed the battery capacity.

 

[arcaine25]

Because without them, the control and video range on all versions exceed the battery capacity.

Interesting, I may be PM'ing you for a little more clarification vs. what I truly want to do. Thanks for piquing my interest

 

[DeeX]

The W322B has 70% of the video power output of the original W322 from the aircraft, and the GL300C has 80% of the power output of the GL300A and GL390B. The W323 is the Pro version of the W322 Advanced with the same specs, except for the camera.

The W323 Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
(2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.7460000 )
FCC ID: SS3-WM3231503
2406.50000000 2476.50000000 0.7460000
===========
The W323A Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.6120000 (82% of the W323)
(18% more than W323B)
FCC ID: SS3-WM3231507
2406.50000000 2476.50000000 0.6120000
=============
The W323B Phantom 3 Professional has a frequency range of:
2406.50000000 - 2476.50000000 and a power output of 0.5200000 (70% of the W323)
==============
Even though DJI originally advertised a 1.2 mile range for the W322, it was actually well over 3 miles. They reduced the power outputs, and then quoted the new range, which is still less than the original W322.

If you are not using boosters and amps and a battery mod, you won't notice the change. If you are, you will.

Just to add...

GL300B controller has a frequency range of
2404.00000000 - 2480.00000000 and a power output of 0.0380 watts
(Thats only about 1/40th of a watt)

GL300C controller has a frequency range of
2404.00000000 - 2470.00000000 and power output of 0.3030 watts
(Thats over 1/4 of a watt)

Going from 0.038 watts to 0.3030 watts a increase of 0.265 watts or 697.37%

W323A has a power output of 0.612 watts

W323B has a power output of 0.520 watts

going from 0.612 watts to 0.520 watts is a decrease of 0.092 or 15.03%


So perhaps they figured it was more efficient to increase the power output on the transmitter and slightly lower it on the bird.
After all the RC usually can be ran for much much longer then the bird and has more room for battery usage.

To add even more:
I recently had the opportunity to have both a W323A with a GL300B and a W323B with a GL300C.
I was able to test a few things out...
Off the bat when using a Galaxy Tab S2 at a controlled distance on the same track using the same tablet.
I can say I concluded from that that the FPV looked better (smoother) from the W323B + GL300C.
So you say well perhaps it was a fluke during the testing. Well I did both tests again with the same results.

I then tested something similar but further away...
Again same track and distance for both but this time instead of going say 200FT with a height 180FT of away on the same track I went 1600FT away at a height of 300FT.
I basically went as far as it could under the same conditions until I saw "Weak transmission signal".
Again the FPV looked better on the W323B + GL300C vs the W323A + GL300B.
It did seem that the "weak transmission signal" started happening sooner with the GL300B + W323A but that could have been other factors that caused that.

Bottom line. People need to get it out of their head that the ONLY reason there was revision was to save money on manufacturing.
That could be the case for components as during the manufacturing process often manufacturers cut deals or change suppliers to get better deals.
This for one doesn't always mean less quality. (sometimes it does).
However in this case where DJI is trying to solidify itself as the leader in consumer drones I highly doubt their revisions were simply to make a product cheaper and worse.
They are not idiots and would be foolish to ignore any discovered issues etc.
Plus on top of that the same R&D department that develops things like the inspire or the Phantom 4 also is constantly looking at issues etc.

It also should be noted that on here and on the DJI forums there have been some radio and electronic experts that seem to feel that the changes in the frequencies and power outputs are very negligible and would not have a major impact at all. However if everyone wants to go strictly by numbers and not by advice etc then clearly the numbers speak for themselves.

Just saying..

 

[DeeX]

I got a gl300b what does it mean?


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Did you order from Pixel Hub on eBay? He said that they were all going to be W323B + GL300C

 

[DeeX]

Link says "Sold by ALL e RC" rather than DJI...
Did it just change??

B&H is still $999, but that will likely change, too, in the next 48 hours.

Doubt it since its a major legit larger dealer...
The lower pricing that are being listed seem to be smaller dealers trying to get rid of a lot of P3's fast.
Just like the dealers were blind sided by the price drop at the end of Feb. They were blind sided by the Price of the P4 being $1400 and not $1700
During the price drop in Feb they literally woke up Monday morning and were given the new pricing.
Now they don't want to be stuck with 500 P3's they would rather have 500 P4's
They will still carry them but not in mass quantities, they want to off load tons to limit their inventory since they assume most will want the latest and greatest P4.
After their inventory stabilizes they will be on par with the pricing at the DJI site
This was told to me by two separate dealers.

Question to anyone that was around during the release of the P3...
How long after the launch of the P3 did they sell the P2V+ for?

 

[LamboH]

Link says "Sold by ALL e RC" rather than DJI...
Did it just change??

B&H is still $999, but that will likely change, too, in the next 48 hours.

Yea u are right. Regardless sold and backed by Amazon and Amazon prime. Also recognized by Dji

 

[LamboH]

Did you order from Pixel Hub on eBay? He said that they were all going to be W323B + GL300C

Ordered my second p3p through the eBay 799$ deal. Comes in Tuesday will update.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Interesting, I may be PM'ing you for a little more clarification vs. what I truly want to do. Thanks for piquing my interest

It's no secret. The FPVLR v2 transmitter mod with 3.0A boosters on the GL300A controller will increase the control range to 8+ miles and the video to 5+ miles at 50 feet off the ground on a W323 original bird. To use that range, you need a battery mod to add two external batteries (on a battery plate mounted above the struts), that are hooked up to a modded DJI internal battery. Paul at FPVCustoms.com can hook you up with everything. Using the same setup on a W323A bird will lose video stability at 3 miles! I have tried it on three W323’s and two W323A's with identical results. 18% reduction in birdside video power makes a huge difference at long range. At under 3 miles, you most likely won't notice it.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Yea u are right. Regardless sold and backed by Amazon and Amazon prime. Also recognized by Dji

Only reason it matters is that Best Buy will match an Amazon price if sold by Amazon directly (which requires sales tax be charged by Amazon), as well as B&H, which doesn't charge sales tax except in NY. If it was by DJI, through Amazon, I was curious if sales tax would be charged. DJI is paying the state sales tax included in their $1399 online price for the P4.

 

[DeeX]

It's no secret. The FPVLR v2 transmitter mod with 3.0A boosters on the GL300A controller will increase the control range to 8+ miles and the video to 5+ miles at 50 feet off the ground on a W323 original bird. To use that range, you need a battery mod to add two external batteries (on a battery plate mounted above the struts), that are hooked up to a modded DJI internal battery. Paul at FPVCustoms.com can hook you up with everything. Using the same setup on a W323A bird will lose video stability at 3 miles! I have tried it on three W323’s and two W323A's with identical results. 18% reduction in birdside video power makes a huge difference at long range. At under 3 miles, you most likely won't notice it.

I want a FPVLR v2 Now...
I must order next week!

However really going that far is just like overclocking a computer to 6 GHz ya its cool to tweak spend the time to get there to say you have done it...
but to me part of that is pointless. Flying around between 0-3 miles with full stability would be what I'm after.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Just to add...

GL300B controller has a frequency range of
2404.00000000 - 2480.00000000 and a power output of 0.0380 watts
(Thats only about 1/40th of a watt)

GL300C controller has a frequency range of
2404.00000000 - 2470.00000000 and power output of 0.3030 watts
(Thats over 1/4 of a watt)

Going from 0.038 watts to 0.3030 watts a increase of 0.265 watts or 697.37%

W323A has a power output of 0.612 watts

W323B has a power output of 0.520 watts

going from 0.612 watts to 0.520 watts is a decrease of 0.092 or 15.03%


So perhaps they figured it was more efficient to increase the power output on the transmitter and slightly lower it on the bird.
After all the RC usually can be ran for much much longer then the bird and has more room for battery usage.

To add even more:
I recently had the opportunity to have both a W323A with a GL300B and a W323B with a GL300C.
I was able to test a few things out...
Off the bat when using a Galaxy Tab S2 at a controlled distance on the same track using the same tablet.
I can say I concluded from that that the FPV looked better (smoother) from the W323B + GL300C.
So you say well perhaps it was a fluke during the testing. Well I did both tests again with the same results.

I then tested something similar but further away...
Again same track and distance for both but this time instead of going say 200FT with a height 180FT of away on the same track I went 1600FT away at a height of 300FT.
I basically went as far as it could under the same conditions until I saw "Weak transmission signal".
Again the FPV looked better on the W323B + GL300C vs the W323A + GL300B.
It did seem that the "weak transmission signal" started happening sooner with the GL300B + W323A but that could have been other factors that caused that.

Bottom line. People need to get it out of their head that the ONLY reason there was revision was to save money on manufacturing.
That could be the case for components as during the manufacturing process often manufacturers cut deals or change suppliers to get better deals.
This for one doesn't always mean less quality. (sometimes it does).
However in this case where DJI is trying to solidify itself as the leader in consumer drones I highly doubt their revisions were simply to make a product cheaper and worse.
They are not idiots and would be foolish to ignore any discovered issues etc.
Plus on top of that the same R&D department that develops things like the inspire or the Phantom 4 also is constantly looking at issues etc.

It also should be noted that on here and on the DJI forums there have been some radio and electronic experts that seem to feel that the changes in the frequencies and power outputs are very negligible and would not have a major impact at all. However if everyone wants to go strictly by numbers and not by advice etc then clearly the numbers speak for themselves.

Just saying..

The GL300A and GL300B transmitter FCC docs are clearly suffering from a misplaced decimal point. The correct figure is 0.38 Watts, and not 0.038 Watts. The W323 bird has the best video power of all the birds at 0.746 Watts.
The birdside power output is solely for video, while the transmitter power output is solely for control. The two do not mix. One does not help the other. They are completely independent. I can't speak to real life use of the W323B bird or the GL300C controller, but both specs are far worse than the W323 with a GL300A controller. All my results are from the FPVLR v2 booster mod on a GL300A controller. The original W323 bird runs circles around all the other successors in terms of long range video stability at 5+ miles 50 feet above the ground! Night and day. This is why the specs on the P4 are so disappointing.

WM330A P4 Aircraft
FCC ID: 2AHAY-WM3301601 .598 Watts v. 0.746 Watts on P3P W323 (80%)
GL300C P4 Transmitter
FCC ID: SS3-GL3001510 .303 Watts v. 0.380 Watts on P3P GL300A (80%)

I will likely experience the same loss of video stability beyond 3 miles, as I do with the W323A, even if I can still use my FPVLR v2 modded GL300A transmitter with boosters, which is currently undetermined.

 

[LamboH]

Only reason it matters is that Best Buy will match an Amazon price if sold by Amazon directly (which requires sales tax be charged by Amazon), as well as B&H, which doesn't charge sales tax except in NY. If it was by DJI, through Amazon, I was curious if sales tax would be charged. DJI is paying the state sales tax included in their $1399 online price for the P4.

Never get charged tax from Amazon .

 

[GadgetGuy]

I want a FPVLR v2 Now...
I must order next week!

However really going that far is just like overclocking a computer to 6 GHz ya its cool to tweak spend the time to get there to say you have done it...
but to me part of that is pointless. Flying around between 0-3 miles with full stability would be what I'm after.

Well, when you live on a hill, and can fly in a 5 mile radius in any direction while retaining LOS, it's a game changer! Flying 3 miles to the ocean takes 5-6 minutes. Driving would take 30 minutes each way! I need my 5 miles of full stability to fly 2 miles in either direction at the beach from 3 miles away!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Never get charged tax from Amazon .

Amazon now has to charge your local state sales tax on all sales, if Amazon itself is the actual seller. Obviously, if you have no state sales tax, Amazon Won't charge you any! Lucky you, if you like where you live!

 

[NormanNormal]

The GL300A and GL300B transmitter FCC docs are clearly suffering from a misplaced decimal point. The correct figure is 0.38 Watts, and not 0.038 Watts. The W323 bird has the best video power of all the birds at 0.746 Watts.
The birdside power output is solely for video, while the transmitter power output is solely for control. The two do not mix. One does not help the other. They are completely independent. I can't speak to real life use of the W323B bird or the GL300C controller, but both specs are far worse than the W323 with a GL300A controller. All my results are from the FPVLR v2 booster mod on a GL300A controller. The original W323 bird runs circles around all the other successors in terms of long range video stability at 5+ miles 50 feet above the ground! Night and day. This is why the specs on the P4 are so disappointing.

WM330A P4 Aircraft
FCC ID: 2AHAY-WM3301601 .598 Watts v. 0.746 Watts on P3P W323 (80%)
GL300C P4 Transmitter
FCC ID: SS3-GL3001510 .303 Watts v. 0.380 Watts on P3P GL300A (80%)

I will likely experience the same loss of video stability beyond 3 miles, as I do with the W323A, even if I can still use my FPVLR v2 modded GL300A transmitter with boosters, which is currently undetermined.

I have been following all of your posts and I have a question. I ordered a P3P Pro from this ebay deal. I am very interested in long range FPV. Assuming I do get the new lower power version, is there anyway to compensate for this, perhaps using the bird side amp/booster fpvlr is selling? I ordered the DBS itelite kit and had planned on using that.

Thanks!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Doubt it since its a major legit larger dealer...
The lower pricing that are being listed seem to be smaller dealers trying to get rid of a lot of P3's fast.
Just like the dealers were blind sided by the price drop at the end of Feb. They were blind sided by the Price of the P4 being $1400 and not $1700
During the price drop in Feb they literally woke up Monday morning and were given the new pricing.
Now they don't want to be stuck with 500 P3's they would rather have 500 P4's
They will still carry them but not in mass quantities, they want to off load tons to limit their inventory since they assume most will want the latest and greatest P4.
After their inventory stabilizes they will be on par with the pricing at the DJI site
This was told to me by two separate dealers.

Question to anyone that was around during the release of the year P3...
How long after the launch of the P3 did they sell the P2V+ for?

Actually, the change I was refering to was from being sold by DJI through Amazon to being sold by ALL e RC through Amazon. It was never DJI through Amazon, as we now know.

However, you are correct. The dealers got caught in the middle of a falling knife of P3 price drops, and made the mistake of trying to catch the knife in the middle of a fall, by stocking up! They got cut and are bleeding!

 

[DeeX]

The GL300A and GL300B transmitter FCC docs are clearly suffering from a misplaced decimal point. The correct figure is 0.38 Watts, and not 0.038 Watts. The W323 bird has the best video power of all the birds at 0.746 Watts.
The birdside power output is solely for video, while the transmitter power output is solely for control. The two do not mix. One does not help the other. They are completely independent. I can't speak to real life use of the W323B bird or the GL300C controller, but both specs are far worse than the W323 with a GL300A controller. All my results are from the FPVLR v2 booster mod on a GL300A controller. The original W323 bird runs circles around all the other successors in terms of long range video stability at 5+ miles 50 feet above the ground! Night and day. This is why the specs on the P4 are so disappointing.

WM330A P4 Aircraft
FCC ID: 2AHAY-WM3301601 .598 Watts v. 0.746 Watts on P3P W323 (80%)
GL300C P4 Transmitter
FCC ID: SS3-GL3001510 .303 Watts v. 0.380 Watts on P3P GL300A (80%)

I will likely experience the same loss of video stability beyond 3 miles, as I do with the W323A, even if I can still use my FPVLR v2 modded GL300A transmitter with boosters, which is currently undetermined.

Touche lol...

 

[DeeX]

I have been following all of your posts and I have a question. I ordered a P3P Pro from this ebay deal. I am very interested in long range FPV. Assuming I do get the new lower power version, is there anyway to compensate for this, perhaps using the bird side amp/booster fpvlr is selling? I ordered the DBS itelite kit and had planned on using that.

Thanks!

I have a similar question @GadgetGuy...
Say we have a GL300C and use a FPVLR V2 wouldnt the only downside be something like the SNR?
I mean the booster boosts based on the AMP outputs no?

Whats the output power on the FPVLR V2?

Which do you have? The Advanced kit?

 

[GadgetGuy]

I have been following all of your posts and I have a question. I ordered a P3P Pro from this ebay deal. I am very interested in long range FPV. Assuming I do get the new lower power version, is there anyway to compensate for this, perhaps using the bird side amp/booster fpvlr is selling? I ordered the DBS itelite kit and had planned on using that.

Thanks!

Maybe. The jury is still out on that one. Before I got my hands on two new W323 birds to replace my crashed one (battery literally shutoff in midair and bird fell 220 feet onto concrete, after 190 successful flights), I tried two brand new W323A birds from Best Buy, and was really frustrated and desperate. I looked into Tony's birdside video mod, and he told me there wouldn't be room for external batteries after the mod, so that killed the deal. Since then, the birdside video amp has been moved inside the shell, which allows room for external batteries, but the replacement spiral antenna still has to be outside somewhere. I was going to try using the spiral antenna without the amp, but then found another W323 bird, which solved my problem. DJI replaced my original with another, so now I have two W323 birds and am a happy camper again. I use the W323A bird for the extra flight time from the new motors when I don't need the long range video, say if I fly from the beach, rather than from home to the beach.