So are you saying that the plan may be to make flying a model aircraft accessible to the affluent only?
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Pilots license for a hobby level drone will never happen. I'll take my 9 year old down get him a license so he can fly at the park. Ridiculous and will never happen with the drones we fly.
What will happen is cities will start enforcing their own rules. But seriously I don't know where you guys live. But I fly **** near daily all over and I've never ONCE seen another drone in the air. And I live in the San Francisco Bay area.
Until the sky's start looking like a amazon comercial we don't have worries.
What will happen is cities will start enforcing their own rules. But seriously I don't know where you guys live. But I fly **** near daily all over and I've never ONCE seen another drone in the air. And I live in the San Francisco Bay area.
Until the sky's start looking like a amazon comercial we don't have worries.
Regulations are comming for the drone activity. ICAO hast just meet last moth and drafted an initial document about it. Expect some new national regulation being enforced by 2018.
While until now the drone or now called RPA (Remote Piloted Aircraft) have limited capabilities for the average casual user, the newest generation is far more capable and heavier.
People may like it or not but regulations are needed because while it is true the vast majority of users are serious and smart people, a small group of users are not and they are a hazard.
Some kind of aviation license and training will be a must for people flying anything other than a toy, specially in BVLOS.
The airspace is everyday more congested and restricted and professional pilots must know where and when can fly or not in an specific airspace.
I see with worry how people comment and post videos of drones flying in clouds or in top of clouds or at heights higher than 400 feet.
As a SAR pilot I fly my helicopter usually low, at around 1000 AGL, at 150 kts and I am starting to be concerned about finding something unexpected flying in front of me. I cannot see a drone in my TCAS, neither the ATC can, and probably neither the drone pilot will see me coming. The receipt for an accident is served.
I have seen some post of people claiming they know better and saying they knew no aircraft would be in the area, but let me tell you they are wrong. There is no way you can forecast or know that some specific aircraft, specially SAR, HEMS, Police or military would be transiting on this area or at your height. This is wh we do use TCAS, transponders, ATC, VFR corridors VFR Altitudes just to try to prevent midair collisions.
Unexpected aircraft in the system are a hazard that should be regulated
I think in Europe the regulation will be that you cannot fly any RPA inside any regulated airspace such ATZ, CTR, neither over crowds and surely not in urban areas and of course the maximum allowed height would be 400 feet AGL (Around 120 mts). It is already this way in Spain.
Larger numbers of more capable RPA are flying and even larger numbers are expected the next years. Regulations and training is needed so they can share the airspace.
Responsible use of the RPA would surely make Regulations more flexible and permissive but if we keep on seeing news about drones landing in the White House, or crashing and hurting people or flying around an international airport I am afraid regulations would get real restrictive.
I have been in this forum just few days but I have the feeling most people here are respectful and smart RPA users and this is the kind of attitude that would make that the RPAS are welcomed and integrated nicely into the airspace.
Fly Safe, fly smart, enjoy flying.
While until now the drone or now called RPA (Remote Piloted Aircraft) have limited capabilities for the average casual user, the newest generation is far more capable and heavier.
People may like it or not but regulations are needed because while it is true the vast majority of users are serious and smart people, a small group of users are not and they are a hazard.
Some kind of aviation license and training will be a must for people flying anything other than a toy, specially in BVLOS.
The airspace is everyday more congested and restricted and professional pilots must know where and when can fly or not in an specific airspace.
I see with worry how people comment and post videos of drones flying in clouds or in top of clouds or at heights higher than 400 feet.
As a SAR pilot I fly my helicopter usually low, at around 1000 AGL, at 150 kts and I am starting to be concerned about finding something unexpected flying in front of me. I cannot see a drone in my TCAS, neither the ATC can, and probably neither the drone pilot will see me coming. The receipt for an accident is served.
I have seen some post of people claiming they know better and saying they knew no aircraft would be in the area, but let me tell you they are wrong. There is no way you can forecast or know that some specific aircraft, specially SAR, HEMS, Police or military would be transiting on this area or at your height. This is wh we do use TCAS, transponders, ATC, VFR corridors VFR Altitudes just to try to prevent midair collisions.
Unexpected aircraft in the system are a hazard that should be regulated
I think in Europe the regulation will be that you cannot fly any RPA inside any regulated airspace such ATZ, CTR, neither over crowds and surely not in urban areas and of course the maximum allowed height would be 400 feet AGL (Around 120 mts). It is already this way in Spain.
Larger numbers of more capable RPA are flying and even larger numbers are expected the next years. Regulations and training is needed so they can share the airspace.
Responsible use of the RPA would surely make Regulations more flexible and permissive but if we keep on seeing news about drones landing in the White House, or crashing and hurting people or flying around an international airport I am afraid regulations would get real restrictive.
I have been in this forum just few days but I have the feeling most people here are respectful and smart RPA users and this is the kind of attitude that would make that the RPAS are welcomed and integrated nicely into the airspace.
Fly Safe, fly smart, enjoy flying.
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This - exactly this.
Some people seem to forget that these are Quads - with only 4 motors and absolutely no redundancy whatsoever. If one esc or motor fails, it's going down, hard, along an uncontrollable trajectory. Even if you're not directly over a gathering of people, being nearby is still a risk.
I fly my phantom under the assumption that it will spontaneously fail. I can afford to replace it or repair when it eventually crashes. I doubt I have deep enough pockets to compensate someone injured when that malfunction occurs though.... so I tend to stay away from people and expensive things.
Probably in the next few years, drones in general will need to be registered, quite like are now aircaft, and will be necessary to have some kind of license to operate it also as recreational. This flying objects are getting smarter, heavier, very long range ...
In my country now there's not clear legislation about this problem, but our FAA-like ENAC is paying lot of attention to the drone world. For now we have the recreational, critical, non-critical flight. Crtical obviously means flying where there's crowd, in which case you need a permit from ENAC, that you can obtain only if you had a specific license for SAR. I'm simplifying of course ... but in the near future will see big changes in this hobby.
In my country now there's not clear legislation about this problem, but our FAA-like ENAC is paying lot of attention to the drone world. For now we have the recreational, critical, non-critical flight. Crtical obviously means flying where there's crowd, in which case you need a permit from ENAC, that you can obtain only if you had a specific license for SAR. I'm simplifying of course ... but in the near future will see big changes in this hobby.
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I do feel we can fly with a deft confidence that not every flight will end up with a close call.
If we can play a numbers game (of sorts)
We have perhaps 2% of owners coming here, we have 2% of quad owners with no real time awareness in the moment
We are not responsible for these people
I don't "fly my phantom under the assumption that it will spontaneously fail" .I do still fly without any real confidence in my abilities even though I "should" be good by now, this works well for me and my many hundreds of flights without any real incidents other than the odd bush losing a leaf, my faith is in the quad not me, they are built to stay in the air and only fail (for me) when I have input.
Yeah, licensing really kept the idiots off the road. Didn't it?
We don't need blanket legislation to make everyone suffer because of the few. You can sure see the socialist mindset of people nowadays........ more government and more regulation is the answer to everything! My way is to let the market decide. Make the idiots pay BIG for their stupidity! And make it known how it will hit you in the pocket for dangerous flying. Once a few clowns wind up paying $$$ for their ignorance, it will be a huge deterrence to them entering the hobby. Speaking only for America here............... where we used to be "encouraged" to pursue the scientific and all realms of hobby flight. It's a TOY!! A remote controlled toy aircraft!! Albeit a very expensive one. You chicken-littles are so far off on the sky is falling, doom and gloom scenarios. Especially you real pilots, seeming a little miffed at the unwashed masses having access to this newest technology. Get over yourselves!
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Why would it hitting a vet make any charge more serious? are vets some how a protected minority class now all the sudden like gays and blacks?
according to the guy that was flying it. It went out of control and hit a building then fell out of the sky.
No actually the police would of been real unlucky if they arrested him being that the police even said no laws were broken whats so ever and that it was just an accident. BUT had they arrested him or any one for any thing that there is no law against doing is a thing thats known as false arrest under color of law. and is some thing that any one who is falsely arrested under color of law gets to sue the crap out of the police dept and some times even gets to personalty sue the officer and EVERY ONE involved in the entire booking procedure.
YOU cant be arrested just because a cop wants to "FEEL" that some thing should be illegal or just because a cop wants to think some one just needs to be arrested on a non existing charge or violation of a non existing law.
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^^ This +1
FAA needs to focus on keeping pilots from downing planes ! Remember when it was lasers affecting flights? now it's drone fears.....I suppose no one here allows children near their mobile devices and only charge those devices while awake with device sealed in an ammo box. You know these things can explode...Every smart device owner should be trained as a firefighter....right?!
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I agree with the helicopter person. I live in the DFW metroplex and close to the freeway. On a daily basis there are helicopters flying low level for traffic reports, etc. I've seen police helicopters flying lower, and there are National Guard Chinooks flying around frequently. Those that remember the times of CB radios, you were supposed to be licensed for that then, and I see that coming down for drone piloting. If anything, to create awareness for what most of us consider common sense. In the DFW area, I'm pretty sure that it's already illegal to fly a drone over a sporting event or sport stadium. They already had an incident where a drone got into the landing lane at Love Field and it was reported by a pilot as a close call. Surprisingly, even with the airport zones that are set up, a lot of smaller airfields in the area have no zones around them. All it would take is someone to fly from a local park that's close to a small airport and crashing into a small aircraft and you have the recipe for disaster. Everybody needs to be smart and be safe. Keep the hobby where we can have fun with it and fly another day.
There will be regulation, laws, restricted areas, fines and a lot of bad publicity because there are nuts doing stupid things with our freedoms. The authorities will have no trouble, finding and arresting hobbyists for violations of the coming model drone regulations. It is coming to a city near you. It is also another source of collectable revenue for municipalities which even make it more likely that local governing councils will enact further laws, restrictions, and regulations for model drones.
We already have the TSA to deal with when we try to fly because of the irresponsible ideologue idiots(terrorists) who high jacked some planes and killed 3000 people in 2001.
There will be coming regulation that hobbyists will have to deal with because of the minority few irresponsible idiots flying these models, damaging property and hurting people.
And oh yes, the ideologues and terrorists will probably get a hobby drone and kill some innocent people.
We can only try to enjoy the hobby while we can, before the nut cases spoil it for everyone.
Fly it safe and responsible, don't take chances. The AMA is lobbying actively with the FAA to keep FPV flying safe and legal.
We already have the TSA to deal with when we try to fly because of the irresponsible ideologue idiots(terrorists) who high jacked some planes and killed 3000 people in 2001.
There will be coming regulation that hobbyists will have to deal with because of the minority few irresponsible idiots flying these models, damaging property and hurting people.
And oh yes, the ideologues and terrorists will probably get a hobby drone and kill some innocent people.
We can only try to enjoy the hobby while we can, before the nut cases spoil it for everyone.
Fly it safe and responsible, don't take chances. The AMA is lobbying actively with the FAA to keep FPV flying safe and legal.
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And you're ok with regulations been put on all because of the actions of the very, very, very few?
Dammit people the terrorists have won when we regurgitate sound bytes and lay down to regulation....they killed some 3000 people and took our civil liberties....or should i say we gave them away.....Now we want regulations for our toys/tools? Where are the stringent regulations to protect the environment from the oil monopolies?
No I don't want any of it--- but it is coming because of the idiots --and the politicians who want to stick it to the public... they found out they cant do anthing about the idiots, so might as well blame it on the innocent majority. "it's sick out there and getting sicker"
Honestly do we not know the world is governed by the minorities, laws are compiled for them for us (how silly), nations fall because of them just look at the prison system.
Without moving past the obvious
Religious extremism
Road rules
many many more
I'm not for common law in everyday action but it is there
Personally I'm not seeing the onset of a systemic problem so far with the few who are noticed, for us.
We still can have fun, fun is good
!! Keep calm / don't panic !!
Without moving past the obvious
Religious extremism
Road rules
many many more
I'm not for common law in everyday action but it is there
Personally I'm not seeing the onset of a systemic problem so far with the few who are noticed, for us.
We still can have fun, fun is good
!! Keep calm / don't panic !!
