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P2V+ Camera - Same specs as P2V?

Discussion in 'Phantom 2 Vision + Discussion' started by Bill_Burkert, Apr 6, 2014.

  1. Bill_Burkert

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    Besides a 3-axis vs 1-axis gimble, the two cameras seem to have the same specs and advertising "extremely high quality' cameras. Anybody see differences?
     
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    The chip is the same size 1/2.3
    The fov is tighter 110/85
    Video recording specs is bit different. No more 1080 60fps
    For 60fps you have to go down to 720p
    This could indicate more data per frame? If so that would yield a better image in video as the bit rate would be higher.

    No idea if the chip is the same or not, I hope it's better.
    The fov being tighter tells me that there is likely less lens distortion. I hope it's also higher quality glass.

    I hope the image quality for stills is better. If it is I'll buy it without a second thought.
     
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    That FOV is still fisheye isnt it? Will it require lens profile correction?
     
  4. ResevorDG

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    Well I am confused now.
    The specs say recording fov 110/85.
    http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-2-vision-plus/spec
    The images of the camera show 140 listed on the lens.

    New theory, the lens is indeed 140 but video is limited to 110/85.
    But I am not sure.
     
  5. MrDRC

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    My guess is the optics are the same just packaged in a different case with some control board mod to narrow the video side FOV. Probably still the same ole FC200 base cam.
     
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    I am very strongly considering upgrading. The 3 axis gimbal really sounds interesting. That is the big issue I have these days, is yawing while I am moving at fill speed.

    Additionally, they claim it can go up to 700m. The P2V claims 500m, but I get closer to 140m. But hey, anything extra is good in my book.

    I like the fact that you can use the batteries, since I own 4 batteries already.

    Now, I just gotta sell my old one and dronexpert gimbal :p
     
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    Compared to a GoPro 3+. What campera is better for shooting videos?
     
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    Really hope the camera is an improvement but I have my doubts. It does use the same size sensor as the gopro black edition so theoretically I suppose it could be better than the FC200. Just depends on the he glass they have used I suppose - maybe a camera specialist could comment ......

    It is a bit of a wasted opportunity imo. I really think there is a market for a better camera and I would be willing to pay an extra couple of hundred dollars more for one. The way they have priced the + just ensures that people who have just bought an old model get pi$$ed off. The one thing they have done is seen off all the aftermarket gimbal makers so maybe that was their intention.

    I have postulated before that maybe they wanted to make a good camera but when it came down to it they did not have the expertise.
     
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    Gizmodo reviewed it today. They reckon the GoPro is better.

    Gizmodo: For just a bit more, you could buy the Phantom 2, the Zenmuse H3-3D gimbal (which is essentially the same as the gimbal on the Vision+), and a GoPro Hero 3+ Black. It might run you a little more, and it wouldn't be as simple as the all-in-one system, but then again, you'd also have a Hero 3+ you could use for other applications, and image quality would definitely be better.
     
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    Have you got a link for that review?
     
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    Some very encouraging footage on the Gizmodo video review (http://gizmodo.com/dji-phantom-2-vision ... 1559567158).

    To my eyes the video looks better than the Gopro black they compared it with. Seemed to have better resolution apart from in low light where the gopro was much better. The gimbal also performed very well and I loved the way it stopped instantly at the end of the yaw - better than any Rotorpixel footage I have seen.

    Am virtually convinced now and will be selling my P2V and getting one of these while I wait for someone to come up with a way of flying a RX100.
     
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    Well only if you assume everyone with a Vision wants to sell and buy a plus. The one thing the + gimbal won't do is carry forward to a new quad. Even the zenmuse will work with other DJI platforms. If you've got a third party gimbal that's platform agnostic and you have range mods already and you're not overly enthused about the camera specs on the + (they really should have gone for some branded optics, shouldn't they?) then there's not much incentive to upgrade.

    By the looks of the package, when they bring out a better camera late this year in time for Christmas you'll have to buy another whole new package again. But then again there seem to be plenty of people who will always buy the latest DJI kit when announced so I suppose there's no incentive for them to offer upgrade packages...
     
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    I am waiting to see if they will offer the new gimbal and camera as a retrofit for the existing Vision. If they don't then I am really glad I switched to the P2 as having no camera upgrade path makes for a very expensive progression. The BMX video I saw was really good on stability but not much better on the video quality than the current Vision camera.

    They can make comparisons with the Gopro 3+ but Gopro users are currently awaiting the launch of the latest Gopro which fingers crossed they stick to the same design shape will clip right into the Zenmuse.
     
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    Hi All,
    I bought a phantom 2 vision last week and yet there is a new version vision 'plus'...Doh! I wish I hadn't hurry!

    I have tested the vision and in overall it is not a bad product (so far). My only problem is stabilization. It is pretty bad!

    So now that the new vision plus is out for sale, does anybody know if the 3 axis gimbal on the new 'vision plus' is compatible/can be ordered for the former vision 2? If yes, does it need to be ordered with the cameara or can it be ordered without it?

    Also would be interested to know if the 3 axis gimbal is compatible with the GoPro Hero 3 + Black edition...


    Rgds,
    Alan
     
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    I own a phantom vision 2 since last week and yes, same problem! stabilization is so bad! If the gimbal on the new vision 2 plus isn't compatible with the former phantom vision, would you recommend the droneexpert gimbal?
     
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    Yes, I am sure you are right. There must be so many products that use the Gopro form factor (ski/bike helmets etc etc) that they would be crazy to move to a new size. Now that gopro are the de-facto action camera they must have the budget to produce a really, really good camera to ensure they stay ahead of the field.

    So many decisions right now - like everything the thing you want is always just around the corner ;)

    As a matter of interest, a couple of questions about the gopro;

    How easy is it to remove from the Zenmuse to use for other purposes ?
    I know it is optimised for video but what is the quality of the stills it produces ?
     
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    There's a new GoPro in the offing? :eek: (relates to this post, Ken http://www.phantompilots.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=10784&p=104617#p104617
     
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    So it appears the P2V+ camera is the almost the same in a new shell and it won't retrofit to a P2V, so no reason to change a P2V at all tbh if you have a gimbal.