Litchi autonomous flight: lost my bird

I just went on a 10200 ft. round-trip flight (P3A on 1.6) using Litchi 1.2.1 (waypoint) in 20F temp. with a 17 mph head wind. Full throttle both ways. No problems, no battery warnings/voltage drop. Beginning battery 100%, landing 78%. Total flight time was only 6 1/2 minutes.

I even stood inside my house from start to finish never lost a bar in RC or video feed (DBS ITElite mod) When I switched from F back to P no hiccups.
 
Can you post a screen shot of your Litchi mission plan so we can see the waypoints? May not help, but curious.

I've used the Litchi waypoint mission several times now with no issues. Sorry you had trouble!
 
It seems, from the video, you attempted to engage the mission with zero satelites.

What does the red text say on the engage screen? Warning messages?

Where was the homepoint recirded?

You probably should consider starting a new thread so people can help you solve this.

Do you suspect litchi is to blame here?

I had 8 satellites until I hit the start mission button, as soon as I hit the button the satellites went to 0 and went into ATTI mode. Then it just drifted away. It says I had signal strength but my controls did not work. Homepoint was set before I took off. Not giving blame to anyone just showing what happened. I was using the Litchi app with ground station, like the OP was doing.
 
Found!

Even though I lost the Phantom in what appeared to be a non-accessible, heavily-wooded area, through an act of God (or perhaps because I had my phone number on it) I just got a call from a hiker who found it 1 day later! I am going to pick it up later tonight.

Interestingly, it wasn't found in the area where I though it landed.

Once I get it back I will download all the flight data and I'll gladly share it with everyone. I am very happy to get it back, but also equally eager to find out what happened and (likely) what mistakes I made. Hopefully it will help us all and prevent someone else from making similar mistakes, or otherwise find a way to prevent someone else from losing their bird.

Stay tuned...


Great news!!! You should post the logs to healthy drones so we can see what went wrong.
 
Awesome news. Glad you found it. Hopefully it's still in good shape. Do upload the raw DAT file. Sounds like something we can all learn from.


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OK, here's what happened.

This is a longer post, but wanted to follow up and share the loss, and eventual recovery, of my drone while it was on an autonomous mission using Litchi. Hopefully someone will find this helpful and reassuring.

In brief, I carefully planned the route online using the Litchi Mission Hub and used Google Maps and elevation charts to plan the waypoints. The flight was up a steep hillside to a fire road at the top of a ridge, which was at about the max altitude the Phantom can fly. (Note: the Phantom was always less than 300 feet over the ground at each waypoint). While I planned it for late afternoon/evening, it was nearly dark when I took off. I'm very familiar with the area though and planned to fly it up and back on a trail I regularly hike. The Litchi Mission Hub calculated the flight to be 2 miles and 11 minutes flight time. With such a steep climb, I left plenty of room for ascent and descent. All seemed good. (See below for mission plan with waypoints).
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At the takeoff point, I did the usual startup procedure, setting up the camera using DJI Go. On takeoff, I turned on Litchi and once it was in the air sent it on its autonomous mission. It began heading off to the first waypoint.

Within a few minutes, I lost signal and got the big red "Disconnected" message at the top of the app. I knew the Phantom had the waypoints uploaded and that it would fly without being connected, and there was a hill blocking a direct clear path between me and the Phantom. I checked my watch and expected it home at around 11 minutes so I waited as patiently as I could, giving it a max of 20 before I went hiking.

After 10 minutes there was no sign of it. After 15 I was convinced something had gone wrong, so I grabbed my flashlight and started up the (steep) hill, controller in hand. I was hoping it would connect once I got within line-of-sight as long as I had some battery left. Just a few hundred yards up the hill, I looked to the west and high up in the sky (it looked like it was up at least 800 feet, maybe much higher - remember it's night time) and far away I spotted the drone's flashing lights - wayyyy up there. It appeared to be heading far past the takeoff point (and final mission waypoint) but I was hopeful it was on the way back. I quickly ran down the hill to the launch point, and tried frantically to reconnect with the Phantom. I restarted Litchi, tried DJI Go, and restarted the remote, all to no avail. While I was doing all of this I lost sight of the bird and assumed it ran out of battery and auto-landed in a heavily wooded area a long way distant. From where I last saw it in the air I knew it was long gone.

I came home and spent hours analyzing my mission plan, checked the waypoints carefully, and reviewing the software manuals. I could not figure out why it would fly the full mission and miss the last waypoint. Since it did go up the ridge 1600 feet, I figured it was still up at that altitude when it made the last pass overhead on the way back until in ran out of battery and landed itself miles away.

This morning I got a phone call - someone found the drone (with my phone number on it, which is the only reason I got it back). I was very surprised that someone could have found it in that forested area miles away that is also private property. Well, he didn't find it there. He found it on the hiking trail I was flying up. He said it was about 3/4 the way to the top of the ridge, and it was laying upside-down.

I downloaded the logs and video to figure out what happened. Since it was nighttime, the video didn't show much, but between the flight logs, the video I could see, and in reviewing the mission waypoints I found out what happened. In short, I ran into the hillside.

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I set each waypoint altitude at least 150 feet above the ground level indicted by Google Maps, and most at 200 feet higher, just to be safe. Well, the hill isn't a smooth, even rise up to the top - there are outcroppings, ridges, trees, and valleys that rise above and drop below the elevation at each waypoint. While my altitude at waypoint 4 had plenty of ground clearance, I did not climb rapidly enough to clear a ridge between waypoints 4 and 5. The Phantom hit the ground and there she sat until it was found today. This also explains why I could not reconnect the controller to the Phantom when it was flying overhead – because it wasn't, in fact, flying overhead.

What about the phantom flying way up overhead past the final waypoint?

Obviously this was a misidentification on my part, in the "let's jump to conclusions" department. Since it was in the same area and roughly on the same heading I had plotted, I assumed it was my phantom. This is outside a major metro area and there are flights (far) overhead all the time, so that's likely what I spotted, and at night all I had were steadily moving lights way up there with no other points to reference. Given my set course and all that had taken place, I assumed it was my Phantom and that's what I immediately jumped to.

That's it. Again, this is long-winded and perhaps slightly embarrassing, but I think that's what communities like this are for - so we can all learn from each other. If anyone has any questions I'm glad to jump back in and answer.

And if you haven't done it already, post your phone number on the outside of your drone! That's the only reason I got it back and figured all of this out.

Thanks and fly safe.
 
Some good news here! You recovered your bird, we know it wasnt litchi, and hopefully the damage isnt too bad and you will be happily flying real soon...

I have my number on my phantom, right above "will pay reward"......
 
it is probably irrelevant in this case but I just wanted to point out that the failsafe RTH does not work in 3rd party apps when the controller loses connection, it is a bug recently discovered by Autoflightlogic (Autopilot app) and wont be fixed until DJI updates their firmware.

Home - Autoflight Logic
Another wrong statement - that is simply not true! It might be true in Autopilot but it most definitely is not true of Litchi.
 
I thought I was ambitious with my first flight, but not compared to this! Had you posted your thoughts on this mission prior to flying, I and many would have advised against it. It's the worst choice you can try, no matter how carefully you plan. Luckily it didn't hit anyone, to boot. This is another lucky ending and hopefully there's not too much damage to the bird. Assess the risk of a mission and even more so, be realistic if what you want to film is worth it in the first place. My first mission was a 12 minute 30+ waypoint flight consisting of delightful views of a football field, baseball field, tennis court and a few other yawns thrown in. Hardly worth filming. However that flight never put the bird out of los to the remote. My eyes maybe, but not the remote. Avoid part of a plan being that you know you'll probably lose connection but it will continue anyway. It's good to know it will but it shouldn't be taken for granted. Glad you got your bird back. Hopefully it fly again for you. Don't give up on litchi. Good luck.
 
Another wrong statement - that is simply not true! It might be true in Autopilot but it most definitely is not true of Litchi.
Are you trolling me? read the whole thread, I have already been corrected but was simply going off of information emailed to me from autoflightlogic. Go ahead and go through my posts and try to find more errors, just be sure to read the entire thread for each post (good luck with that)
 
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No trolling, this forum is full of poorly researched half truths as well as all the good information. You're right though, I should have read the whole thread, just as you should have done your research before posting a comment that could have put the frighteners up a lot of users!
 
No trolling, this forum is full of poorly researched half truths as well as all the good information. You're right though, I should have read the whole thread, just as you should have done your research before posting a comment that could have put the frighteners up a lot of users!
I didn't think to second guess a company that willfully sent an email about an error in their product and said email stated "We discovered a DJI firmware issue that prevents the aircraft from executing Return-to-Home (RTH) on RC signal loss when any third-party app is connected via the SDK." But someone who was more informed corrected me, end of story.
 
Are you trolling me? read the whole thread, I have already been corrected but was simply going off of information emailed to me from autoflightlogic. Go ahead and go through my posts and try to find more errors, just be sure to read the entire thread for each post (good luck with that)

You forgot a period at the end of the last sentence. :D
 
OK, here's what happened.

This is a longer post, but wanted to follow up and share the loss, and eventual recovery, of my drone while it was on an autonomous mission using Litchi. Hopefully someone will find this helpful and reassuring.

In brief, I carefully planned the route online using the Litchi Mission Hub and used Google Maps and elevation charts to plan the waypoints. The flight was up a steep hillside to a fire road at the top of a ridge, which was at about the max altitude the Phantom can fly. (Note: the Phantom was always less than 300 feet over the ground at each waypoint). While I planned it for late afternoon/evening, it was nearly dark when I took off. I'm very familiar with the area though and planned to fly it up and back on a trail I regularly hike. The Litchi Mission Hub calculated the flight to be 2 miles and 11 minutes flight time. With such a steep climb, I left plenty of room for ascent and descent. All seemed good. (See below for mission plan with waypoints).
View attachment 43112

At the takeoff point, I did the usual startup procedure, setting up the camera using DJI Go. On takeoff, I turned on Litchi and once it was in the air sent it on its autonomous mission. It began heading off to the first waypoint.

Within a few minutes, I lost signal and got the big red "Disconnected" message at the top of the app. I knew the Phantom had the waypoints uploaded and that it would fly without being connected, and there was a hill blocking a direct clear path between me and the Phantom. I checked my watch and expected it home at around 11 minutes so I waited as patiently as I could, giving it a max of 20 before I went hiking.

After 10 minutes there was no sign of it. After 15 I was convinced something had gone wrong, so I grabbed my flashlight and started up the (steep) hill, controller in hand. I was hoping it would connect once I got within line-of-sight as long as I had some battery left. Just a few hundred yards up the hill, I looked to the west and high up in the sky (it looked like it was up at least 800 feet, maybe much higher - remember it's night time) and far away I spotted the drone's flashing lights - wayyyy up there. It appeared to be heading far past the takeoff point (and final mission waypoint) but I was hopeful it was on the way back. I quickly ran down the hill to the launch point, and tried frantically to reconnect with the Phantom. I restarted Litchi, tried DJI Go, and restarted the remote, all to no avail. While I was doing all of this I lost sight of the bird and assumed it ran out of battery and auto-landed in a heavily wooded area a long way distant. From where I last saw it in the air I knew it was long gone.

I came home and spent hours analyzing my mission plan, checked the waypoints carefully, and reviewing the software manuals. I could not figure out why it would fly the full mission and miss the last waypoint. Since it did go up the ridge 1600 feet, I figured it was still up at that altitude when it made the last pass overhead on the way back until in ran out of battery and landed itself miles away.

This morning I got a phone call - someone found the drone (with my phone number on it, which is the only reason I got it back). I was very surprised that someone could have found it in that forested area miles away that is also private property. Well, he didn't find it there. He found it on the hiking trail I was flying up. He said it was about 3/4 the way to the top of the ridge, and it was laying upside-down.

I downloaded the logs and video to figure out what happened. Since it was nighttime, the video didn't show much, but between the flight logs, the video I could see, and in reviewing the mission waypoints I found out what happened. In short, I ran into the hillside.

View attachment 43113
I set each waypoint altitude at least 150 feet above the ground level indicted by Google Maps, and most at 200 feet higher, just to be safe. Well, the hill isn't a smooth, even rise up to the top - there are outcroppings, ridges, trees, and valleys that rise above and drop below the elevation at each waypoint. While my altitude at waypoint 4 had plenty of ground clearance, I did not climb rapidly enough to clear a ridge between waypoints 4 and 5. The Phantom hit the ground and there she sat until it was found today. This also explains why I could not reconnect the controller to the Phantom when it was flying overhead – because it wasn't, in fact, flying overhead.

What about the phantom flying way up overhead past the final waypoint?

Obviously this was a misidentification on my part, in the "let's jump to conclusions" department. Since it was in the same area and roughly on the same heading I had plotted, I assumed it was my phantom. This is outside a major metro area and there are flights (far) overhead all the time, so that's likely what I spotted, and at night all I had were steadily moving lights way up there with no other points to reference. Given my set course and all that had taken place, I assumed it was my Phantom and that's what I immediately jumped to.

That's it. Again, this is long-winded and perhaps slightly embarrassing, but I think that's what communities like this are for - so we can all learn from each other. If anyone has any questions I'm glad to jump back in and answer.

And if you haven't done it already, post your phone number on the outside of your drone! That's the only reason I got it back and figured all of this out.

Thanks and fly safe.

Thanks a lot for the prompt follow-up. I was really dying to know what happened. You can see a post a couple weeks ago where I too planned a mission without sufficient altitude and had a good story to tell also. I replayed that mission with an extra hundred feet everywhere. You can barely tell the difference in the footage. So what I learned is that it is worth adding tons of extra clearance in elevation, review the footage, lower it where it's safe and fly again and again. Eventually, you'll end up with the footage you want. Not to mention there's usually and waypoint or two you want to adjust anyway. The chance of nailing a long Litchi mission the first time are slim. Thanks again.
 
Thanks for posting your story so we can all learn from it. I know these kind of stories can be embarrassing and make you feel stupid but the reality is we have all done stupid stuff! (Some of us more than others!)

So now that you know what mistake you made, what will you do differently on future Litchi missions? I know you said you will set your waypoints higher, but what else? What else can us as a community learn from this?


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Here is a site I use when planning a flight:

Distance Calculator

It shows you estimated elevation via a graph at all points along your flight path - not just at specific waypoints. Maybe this would have alerted you and kept you from flying into the hillside.

Hope this helps.

Any tips on how to use it efficiently? You can't upload the mission to it, right?
 
Nope you can't upload the mission to it. Just bring it up and click on the approximate flight path, then check the elevation graph for a height problem.
 
Thanks for posting your story so we can all learn from it. I know these kind of stories can be embarrassing and make you feel stupid but the reality is we have all done stupid stuff! (Some of us more than others!)

So now that you know what mistake you made, what will you do differently on future Litchi missions? I know you said you will set your waypoints higher, but what else? What else can us as a community learn from this?


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Great success story and lessons for us all.
As adfischer posted, we can all take this and attempt to learn something.
I know this will sound like overkill however it pays to plan every flight.
Several times. You are literally PIC, nobody else.

It is agood idea to check weather reports, look for other aircraft, check elevation and preflight thoroughly prior to a distance flight or any where the bird can get out of one's control.

Kudos for sharing so we all can gain proficiency.
 
I lost my drone using that same app on a ground station mission with my P2V+. Drone just took off and I had no control of it. Here is a video screen capture of it.

From what I see before you even press "GO" it shows 0 GPS, and yellow bar at top not indicating GPS flight. Therefore it was not even attempting the mission and RTH would not work given 0 GPS satellites to my knowledge anyway. The no response after worries slightly but all I see from the video is just RTH being pressed with it telling you no GPS cant do it.

I have asked this question before but I am curious if it does lose GPS half way through a mission then suddenly regain GPS you are already engaged in a mission does it then attempt to fly to wave points or do something else?

My worst case scenario is what happens with the following in Litchi
You upload the mission, lose signal because you are out of range (planned flight). During that moment in time it loses GPS breifly... then regains perhaps 30 seconds later after it has drifted with no signal. What happens then?
 
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