I don't have a problem with someone saying 'screw you, I'll do what I want' if they're being safe. Swapping antennas, flying over 400 ft - these are not inherently dangerous things. This 15 mile radius is just ridiculous - mostly from the FAA, but also on DJI's part.
DJI to limit flights over DC and US Boarders
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New US no fly map........ LOL :lol:
Seriously though I think this will simply sway people away from DJI products. It is unfortunate all it takes is a few bad apples
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByxMKX6kkFDzR2x0bWs2dk00UTA/view?usp=sharing
Seriously though I think this will simply sway people away from DJI products. It is unfortunate all it takes is a few bad apples
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByxMKX6kkFDzR2x0bWs2dk00UTA/view?usp=sharing
My thoughts exactly. Isn't all of these limitations based on someone using GPS? So wouldn't switching to ATTI or Manual, defeat any restrictions based on the lack of GPS being used?darkoth23 said:
Morgon said:
The issue is that many of the folks with the "screw you" attitude are anything but safe. Swapping antennas may not be inherently unsafe, but it is positively illegal in the US. See Part 15.203.
Seems crystal clear, yet it is mostly ignored. Frankly I think DJI should include this with their products and make it clear that it is illegal in the US to alter the antenna on either the transmitter or Phantom itself.
OK, so we have established that the FCC and FAA can be ignored. Wonderful. And we wonder why they want to ***** slap us.
SilentAV8R said:
I don't necessarily agree with his post. But to be fair....
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -- Thomas Jefferson
I think you can understand that this increasing overreach is quickly going down that path.
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I’m with SilentAV8R on this one.
Just yesterday I posted “Maybe DJI should include autonomous safety zones in the next software update. Seems like they could input the GPS coordinates of all U.S. restricted areas and instruct the Phantom to enter into a safety mode to prevent the flight or land automatically if it enters a no fly zone.” I must be psychic…now if I could just guess the lottery.
When it’s all said and done national security, airline safety, and privacy comes first, NOT recreational hobbies. :shock:
Just yesterday I posted “Maybe DJI should include autonomous safety zones in the next software update. Seems like they could input the GPS coordinates of all U.S. restricted areas and instruct the Phantom to enter into a safety mode to prevent the flight or land automatically if it enters a no fly zone.” I must be psychic…now if I could just guess the lottery.
When it’s all said and done national security, airline safety, and privacy comes first, NOT recreational hobbies. :shock:
Nobody's saying that restrictions are bad (well, a few are), it's just that 15 miles outside of DC is excessive. That swallows IntelligentUAS whole, for instance. It includes a lot of suburbs that also have open recreational areas. We need to be pushing back for reasonable restrictions.drifter said:
So, with all of these TFRs in mind, does this mean now that we'll need to DL updates before EVERY flight? There are many TFRs that pop up when the POTUS or VOTUS visit different parts of the country. Then you have the 3nm TFRs for the VIPs (Secretary of State and such) and we can't forget the TFRs around sporting events like the superbowl, major college games, etc.
It won't take long until we are MORE restricted than flying an actual airplane!
Just want to say Thank you to the idiots who blow away any common sense and pick just the best times to break the rules and draw attention to us. Argh!
It won't take long until we are MORE restricted than flying an actual airplane!
Just want to say Thank you to the idiots who blow away any common sense and pick just the best times to break the rules and draw attention to us. Argh!
we don't have to update firmwave do we?
wouldn't it be possible for people just to not update and avoid this entire thing?
wouldn't it be possible for people just to not update and avoid this entire thing?
Morgon said:
OK. But the fCC rules have been in effect for a very long time and for good reasons. Simply because a number of new on the scene Phantom owners want to ignore the rule does not by itself make it an unjust law.
Morgon said:
The DC restrictions went into effect almost immediately following 9/11. They apply to general aviation and most other man carrying aviation. I agree that including models seems too much, until you see what the dumb@$$ did on Monday. Yes, I know, he was ignorant of the law, but maybe now he, and many others, are not any longer.
The AMA has been battling to get models excluded from this and the other TFRs that apply to models. But as long as we hobbyists continue to provide the FAA and DHS with ample evidence that we cannot act responsibly I suspect they will likely keep those rules in place.
NickCopter said:
Sure. But that does not mean that they are OK to fly in the DC no fly zone area. DJI is trying to cover their @$$&$, but the question remains, why would anyone knowingly fly where it could bring huge negative attention on us??
Watching the regular news over irresponsible piloting and the resulting outcry, restrictions and laws is like watching a slow motion train wreck.
I rather have some dji software restrictions than govenrment antidrone laws. Plus it wont be long until we can jailbrake a phantom ;-)
SilentAV8R said:
On one hand, it's very easy to say this was intentional (which a good amount of people around the web seem to think). Some government staffer tasked with raising red flags to let the FAA tighten its grip.
On the other hand, the dude was under the influence, flying in the middle of the night, and turned himself in. I don't have a whole lot of faith in the average mental capacity of a government pleb, so my bet is on Option B.
Haven't heard of any consequences for the pilot, which really angers me. We need less blanket ban, and more personal consequences. If individuals get the book thrown at them, people will be pay more attention. It's too easy to flip the bird at the FAA itself with these broad rules (I know you said they've been there, but this is the first time most people have been introduced to them; many of the media didn't even report on that part, making it sound like it was something new)
Love my Phantom 1. Did DJI just totally give up trying to put the old ones on electronic leashes/muzzles?
Not that I'm complaining about my "freedom" or anything, just wondering.
Not that I'm complaining about my "freedom" or anything, just wondering.
Just to add my understanding is that all no fly zones in DJI firmware work in ANY flight mode whilst GPS signals are being received... Even manual.
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