*I am working my way up chronologically from the bottom (first flight where I was battery testing was "Yesterday at Moorpark 13737 F 19 minutes, max alt 631 although technically well over 8000 ASL) and worked my way up. (the 16 minute flight was not a test). ANY DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD about anything other than batteries, range or tests is forbidden. **It is also forbidden to say any of your results without some sort of proof of your flight. Now this is an internet forum and you can ignore all that or we can try for the common goal of figuring out time and range for the AVERAGE P4 user. Not someone with a 3 foot exntender on their station. I spent a few days in the mountain in Moorpark at a beautiful villa to help try and figure out some real times and create a thread WHERE WE DISCUSS only battery and range tests and if you have a result to post, IT MUST BE BACKED up with some proof. I have only just returned so I have a snap shot of the telemetry just to show that the logs are actual flights all over the place and not hovering (whether hovering increases or decreases battery life on a flight is yet to be figured out for sure). Here are my logs for the P4. Her name is Layla and I don't normally fly missions non-stop so only the ones in Moorpark over 19 mins were part of this slightly controlled experiment. All but the 16 minute Moorpark flight were part of that experiment. The first 19 min flight was the maiden flight on that bat and it returned with 19% left l, the next 22 minute flight was on like its 7th or 8th flight and returned with 26%. You can do your own math and come up with your own conclusions as to what the actual time would be if flew out but these are the results of my tests over two day and four flights. I got 19mins (19% remaining) with a brand new battery (literal first time) and then 22 minutes (26% remaining) from a bat with about 7-8 flights. Now I am not a big range guy and I wasn't going to risk my bird for the people that are but I was interested since I was getting much better results there than I do in LA so I did go out about a mile on one of the flights but turned around on the first hiccup. What says yesterday was the day before yesterday and what says times now, was yesterday. It is my understanding (sorry forgot your name, dirty something) did a controlled hover test, please post your results. I would love to see them as again, it is my theory that hovering actually uses more power by constantly starting and stopping props (like turning a car on and off is worse on city gas than driving in the city). This next picture is just to show the telemetry of one of the flights You can figure out which flight it is by looking at max altitude and time. This is the telemetry for the 24 minute flight at the very top of the top logs and keep ion mind that everything across the homepoint was looking over a ledge that made it immediately in actuality well over 8000 feet so I was flying at around 10am in the cool morning air. I will upload the video telemetry later. If I have to, I'll figure out a way to screen capture it with QT as I don't have an app on my iPad that can do it. If you don't agree with my methods by all means, go ahead and make suggestions. If you did your own tests, THAT'S EXACTLY why I made this thread was to try and get the actual data from the "I only got 11 minutes off of a battery this morning" which I read in one of the "I'm happy I didn't buy a P4" thread that was the catalyst for me to make sure my memory wasn't completely off. So, please, I BEG, can we all act like adults here and discuss battery and range tests with screen captures, videos and metadata info. No saying "this happened". Honor system will have to be a little in place. I was personally happy with results, especially the 24 as it was on a VERY windy day and as you can see, I wasn't just sitting around but booking, as I was out of media at that point. This wont mean much to anyone but I got this far at breakneck speed and had no problems but I wasn't about to go over a second valley that I don't even know. This is the view of the air I was over, directly off the precipice of their house. This next picture is why I was paying attention to things other than PhantomPilots even though I did spend a lot of time and got yelled at plenty by my wife and daughter for walking away to perform these tests but did so because I was not believing what I was hearing as flight times in some of the thread. In reality, I think this picture shows I am a man with a family who doesn't have the desire nor the inclination to have goofy battles over things that I didn't even care that much about. If this got the same EXACT amount of battery life as the P3P (it doesn't), I would feel deceived and frustrated but I would be more annoyed if I missed a new episode of The Simpsons. PLEASE, DON'T POST IF YOU ARE NOT POSTING legitimate questions, thoughts, or your own studies. There, I didn't want to waste the time I spent, and I did try to control for this, and just throw it away. I didn't even reformat my card so I could get actual family pics because I ran out of card because I wanted to have the video to eventually upload of my tests so I am going to try this again and see if people can just continue on and tell us what your findings are. These are mine.