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400 ft limit

Discussion in 'Phantom 2 Vision + Discussion' started by mr_3_0_5, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. mr_3_0_5

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    I could have swore I read somewhere that the 3.0 on the plus has a 400 ft altitude limit
    Can anyone confirm or tell me more about this
     
  2. YeeaaBoii

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    Maybe you read it here?http://www.phantompilots.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11899
     
  3. nhoover

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    It's got to be the 120m non-GPS limit you're talking about. They would never cripple the whole platform with that restriction (would they?!) I'm still on V2.0 and am not about to upgrade. Looking forward to someone posting here that V3.0 works as V2.0 (essentially unlimited height and distance as long as you override the defaults in the assistant, and without the 3300' limit in the app).
     
  4. BenDronePilot

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    The only time a P2V Plus, or a P2V on the new v3 firmware will have no height limitation is when you're not within 5 miles of an airport and you have good GPS signal. If you're either near an airport listed as class a or b by dji, or have no gps signal you're max altitude will be limited to 394 feet or less. And if within 1 1/2 miles of an airport you wont be able to take off at all. And there's no way at this time of shutting this new "feature" off. Nice huh? I"m staying far away from the P2V+. Only thing it would add for me is bricking my Phantom, and giving me a better stabilized camera. My P2V is already modified so I get more range than a stock P2V Plus, and the camera specs are the same other than the stabilization.
     
  5. semaj

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    Why are so many pissed off about the 5 mile airport flight limit?

    It's not safe to fly within that range anyway, so what's the big issue?
     
  6. rmifsud

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    I have ordered the phantom vision + few days ago and honestly I'm thinking of cancel my order because of the 'no fly zone' feature. I live in malta which is only 7 miles wide by 15 miles length. My country has a very high density and I only live 1 km away from the one and only airport we have. This means that I cannot even use this phantom in my own garden. I have to go to the other side of the country in order to fly it as I want :(

    I know that this is a safety feature but I hope that there will be a way to disable the gps or this particular 'no fly zone' feature.


    Regards
     
  7. RedRyderMedia

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    This is just a hunch, but the P2V+ is just the newest model and so it's first to get the restriction. Can't see how this restriction shouldn't apply to other multicopters also.....expect the same restrictions to trickle down to all the models eventually.
     
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    The reason that I am pissed off is because instead of using education to imrpove safe flying they have tried to simply stop us. The 'feature' is so poorly implemented that it is farcical. As an example, the two closest airports to me happen to be two different classes. My local airport is class b and the centre point they picked is the main terminal building which means that the zero fly zone does not even cover one end of the runway - are they saying to me that because I am able to fly there that it is safe to do so ? The second airport is class a and the restrictions there cover whole swathes of urban areas which are nowhere near any flight paths so if I lived there I would be very pissed off.
     
  9. yawnalot29

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    Here's directly from FAA on FAA web site:


    Busting Myths about the FAA and Unmanned Aircraft
    http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240



    Unmanned Aircraft (UAS) Questions and Answers
    http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/uas_faq/



    Model Aircraft Operating Standards
    http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... /91-57.pdf

    See section 3.c.


    Fact Sheet - Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS)
    http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/new ... wsId=14153
     
  10. yawnalot29

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    Given 400 feet is the current FAA guideline, it wouldn't surprise me for DJI to update Firmware to impose a across the board 400 limit.
     
  11. yawnalot29

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    This is another take from a blogger / reporter...

    http://gigaom.com/2013/12/08/so-you-wan ... -law-says/


    Here's the relevant part:


    and


    So while you might have law on your side, do you have the financial resources to fight it?
     
  12. OI Photography

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    Good info at the time, but out of date now that the case has a ruling (albeit one that has been appealed).

    Current info: http://dronelawjournal.com/
     
  13. yawnalot29

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    From Forbes magazine

    FAA Files Appeal Brief In Closely-Watched Drone Pilot Case
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/ ... ilot-case/

    The relevant quote from the article:


    and


     
  14. yawnalot29

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    I was getting to it. See the post above this one.
     
  15. yawnalot29

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    My profession is no where near photography or flying. This would be my first RC toy of any kind.

    That said, here's a Forbes article for Drone operator for commericial use:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/ ... s-to-bust/

     
  16. DrJoe

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    Your best practice in the United States is to either certify your aircraft and become a licensed commercial UAS (unmanned aircraft system) operator. See the FAA fact sheet about UAS was released in January here:

    http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/new ... wsId=14153

    Model aircraft guidance circular:
    http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... /91-57.pdf

    I am a licensed pilot as well as a HUGE phantom fan & pilot. Small aircraft (including ultralights without a cockpit) can fly in class G airspace (0-700 feet uncontrolled airspace) regularly, the same airspace we fly our phantoms in. If one of our phantoms gets smacked by a Cessna going 110 knots or an ultralight pilot doing 60 knots, the results could be disastrous and deadly. You will have damaged property and possibly killed someone, along with our awesome hobby.

    I have my firmware set on a maximum altitude of 121 meters (400 feet). If my phantom is ever involved in a collision, the firmware will prove I was within the FAA guidelines. I also maintain LOS (line of sight) at all times. If I am flying FPV, I have a spotter maintaining LOS for me.

    If you want to go higher, I suggest three things to be as safe as possible: a spotter looking for other aircraft, a call to local flight controllers to let them know where and when you will be operating (skydivers do this all the time) and have a transceiver capable of transmitting on UNICOM or MULTICOM (122.700 mHz/ 122.900 MHz) to announce your intentions while you are flying. You can speak to the pilots at your nearest airport and find out what frequency they commonly monitor. I recommend a Yaesu FTA-230 available here: http://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/17733

    One day, a really cheap ADS-B transponder will be available, along with a logic board to avoid other aircraft with ADS-B transponders. Until then, you are flying blind and a danger to airmen if you bust 400 feet or go out of LOS. Period.

    Don't ruin this awesome hobby for the rest of us.
     
  17. PhilAnderson

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    I think your post has caused me to think more than any other.

    I have never owned or flew a quad, yet, but my Plus is on the way. I'm reading as much as I can before it arrives. I've read other mishaps and warnings but none has had the effect of yours. It's going to be a big responsibility.

    I think I may speak for all of us when I say we always want to go faster, farther and higher. But with that comes a responsibility. I like your idea of a spotter looking for other aircraft. I will do that whenever possible. But, I also think it's a big sky and the chance of my what, 24" aircraft, being in the same place at the same time as some other aircraft is quite small. Possible, yes. Likely, no. Still, your words are true and your time has been worthwhile. Thanks for posting this.
     
  18. DrJoe

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    Thanks Phil. Just be as safe as you can. Just wait untill you get this thing, its ridiculously cool, have a blast with it.
     
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    This can of worms is only going to get worse as the months and years go by, with the leaps in technology we're seeing. I think the best thing we can do is to fly safely and be courteous around people that are in the area your flying in. We want to get the general public on our side. This is just a grown ups hobby for 99% of us, and great one at that. I'll be flying it at my bluegrass festival in 6 weeks. Mostly hippies so I don't think I'll get an bad reactions but I'll let you know. I want to shoot a lot of areal footage of the campground and festival for future promotion but for the most part flying my week old Phantom 2Z with GoPro Black+ is going to be a fun hobby.
     
  20. MikesTooLz

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    FAA law says you must stay under 400 feet even it the drone can go higher.